What a load of ignorant twaddle smokeyTA, Have you seen the stadium upgrades that are happening and have been happening for the last four or five years. Fev have backers and serious money is being put in and generated from some high profile sponsors and investors (Probiz, Fosters, Linpac, D.S.Smith) to name but a few. Fev are on the brink of winning the league shield for the FOURTH year on the trot so the ability to get there on a playing front is ticked as well, there are several players signing for Rovers on a full time basis for next season, turning down SL clubs to stay at the club. Please tell me if any player with SL ambitions would do this if Fev were not in that position you question.

My conclusion is that you felt with the inception of SL the "little" clubs would just curl up and die, and the fact that Fev are banging very loudly on the door makes you very uncomfortable Smokey. Get used to it, Fev have "earned" that right and should be given the opportunity.

People mention the p&r coming back in 2015.
Next season there is 1 or 2 to be relegated from SL and maybe as many as 5 to be relegated fron the Championship as it becomes SL2 in 2015.

That's right.
SL 2 in 2015 will, as it stands, be made up of:
-the 2 relegated SL clubs,
-Toulouse and
-the top 9 of the 2014 Championship.
so, the bottom 5 of the 2014 Championship to be relegated to the 'third division'.

I'll ask again, does anybody have a cow?

Another 3 pages of

Yes they would. If fev found someone willing to build them an acceptable stadium and invest in them until they are of the size where they can be sustainable at this level they should definitely be in SL regardless of the bounce of a ball.

its more a plan than me saying I'm going to have a threesome with Selma Hayek and Megan Fox, then just sitting here talking to you and expecting it to happen. Whilst I have a goal, if I don't think about how I get there it isn't a plan and even if your want to call it a plan, it doesn't mean it is at all likely to happen.

It's a simple scenario, which is more likely to result in a positive outcome, the game wanting to fulfil its potential and then sitting down and deciding the best route to get there, and then doing it.

Or

The game wanting to fulfil its potential then just hoping it happens by chance?

and chances are it will destroy them and in 5years time people will be blaming the RFL, a media conspiracy, lack of sponsors, the big clubs, Gary hetherignton, rugby union, the old boys network etc etc etc

The more clubs like fev in SL, the more likely my team is to continue lifting trophies.

So where are these new big city mega clubs that will enhance SL and challenge Leeds and Wigan?

Just round the corner Starbug.

We've just fallen into Championship One...

They aren't anywhere. That doesn't mean we should include small clubs that have little to no chance of competing, just for the sake of it. If the league reverts to 12 teams, would Featherstone be stronger than any of the current 12 SL clubs? Do they have the potential to become stronger than any of the top 12? Would Featherstone being promoted mean replacing a relatively strong team with a weaker team with less potential? The answer is almost certainly yes. People can make up romantic ideas about them 'earning their place' but the truth is that we would be weakening Super League and crippling a relatively strong club for no reason, that's the crux of the argument.

But a system of automatic promotion and relegation means that they will be placed into the top league regardless of whether they are good enough or not. The current system would cater for Featherstone being included if they were one of the strongest 12 clubs. The fact that they aren't and people are advocating introducing a system designed to artificially promote them regardless is absolute backwards nonsense.

Dubai?
Hong Kong?
Sun City?
Toulouse?

I'll put you down for the 'leadership, direction and vision is better than drift' faction, rather than the 'natural evolution is better than manipulation' one, then shall I?



It is a fair-ish summation of the question, though the answer isn't as obvious, IMO, as you seem to think. Invisible hand, natural selection, blah'dy, blah'dy, blah'dy.

The correct answer isn't so much a problem for me, as that we consistently duck the question or change our collective mind.

The non-fed rule is a good example, IMO. Decent idea, if the assumption that overseas players are blocking the progress of our own and that there is a wealth of domestic potential going to waste, were accurate. Orthodoxy now though is that actually there isn't enough talent to go around. 'We' don't think things through very well, and though well intentioned the interventions often don't lead where we'd like. The constant flip-flopping that follows is destabilising and everybody gets frustrated with the RFL and their 'vision'.
Fewer manipulations, fewer frustrations and less distrust - perhaps. The clubs themselves then have to face up to the tough choices, neither looking to the RFL for some miracle cure-all nor being able to blame them for rigging the game against them.

Headhunter - for the umpteenth time - which club do you go and watch through the turnstiles?

It's pretty obvious by your retarded posts and WUM attitude what the answer is.

Does anybody have a cow?

WE ALREADY HAVE SMALL CLUBS WITH NO CHANCE OF COMPETING YOU PILLOCK

Sport shouldn't be about "can they add anything more than Castleford". It's pathetic. Stagnation is what is currently happening in SL and the most important people in that league have decided enough is enough. Little keyboard non-fans like Headhunter have no clue about the reality of running a club.

I look forward to a new era with great anticipation and the fact that idiots like Headhunter and Smokey are spitting their dummy out is a massive cherry on the top.

Do we think that if a 'small' club like fev go up it will damage rugby league somehow? I have posted the attendance figures showing the damage below superleague which I believe franchising has done... But as long at this does not affect the top clubs that's not a problem is it? I guess not as you have nearly avoided mentioning it at all so it must be a painful truth I guess, either that it it is sofas beneath you it is simply inconsequential.

I really wonder what world you live in, where are these new superleague ready clubs with 8000 fans going to come from? Where are these stadiums ready to perfectly fit into superleague so snugly? Dreamland honestly.

There is potential in Toulouse I guess but frankly I think that if there is so much potential in France let them build les superleague of there own...freeing up space for an all English superleague. This is I understand a separate debate all on its own.

How else can we create superleague standard clubs, unless we let them grow into superleague by participation?

When superleague was first established fev finished one place below. When we win the league for three years we couldn't go up each time due to franchising. If you have never been in this position you cannot understand the frustration. No wonder people come out with conspiracy theories about the whole structure, it is utter madness.

A club goes up, a club goes down. Some might be run badly and go bust. I would be astonishes if they collapse as badly as Bradford, crusaders, or even maybe the broncos now, but that wouldn't be any worse than what's happening now, and at least there is a chance of putting new blood and fresh players into superleague.
Go on giz a chance we've been waiting ages!

. Double post

Where's this fantastic SL that is being revered about. 17 years of elitism for a few privileged clubs. And a closed shop which has seen clubs struggle and go to the wall.

Why is it such a problem for the likes of fev, fax, leigh or Sheffield to have ambition to gatecrash.

I attend regular forums at fev where I can put my views, questions and concerns to the chairman, CEO and commercial manager and I get an honest and informed response. Sorry smokey, headhunter et al, I can see the level of professionalism, forward thinking and visible progress at the club. And why won't we compete given the same salary cap and a backer who is able and willing to spend it.

I am 100% certain that fev will ofer as much if not more than cas, Wakefield, salford, hull kr, London, Bradford and with the investment that is being talkedaabout then Huddersfield Warrington and then saints, leeds and wigan. Fev are growing at a manageable rate and are at the stage where SL is viable. Come along to our next forum and ask your questions. Please don't spout off rubbish.

Once again, can somebody, anybody tell me the disasterous consequences suffered by Leigh due to their promotion to and relegation from SL?

Maybe they can point us in the direction of some University running a degree course on ' Being a SL club ' ?

A night course at college perhaps?

Anybody have a cow?

OK, what's with the cow?????