I like pie.

I really don't see that sentence being written there, Smokey. Could you maybe quote the actual sentence where I said

'Wigan Have the best u19s'

That'd be a great help.

Here

Unless of course you think there is something else that will go into making up the U19’s other than the U19 players, U19 coaches and U19 facilities?

It will be interesting to see whether the Wigan production line will continue under the new youth structure that they voted for.

www.therhinos.co.uk/news/20702.php#.UcRWDPmkpsM Leeds Rhinos 19 man squad is entirely made up of players eligible to play for England and includes 15 players from the club's academy structure with only Mitch Achurch, Jamie Peacock, Ian Kirke and Zak Hardaker not developed by the Rhinos. The average age of the 19 man squad to face the Giants is just 24 and, if selected, Minchella would become the first Leeds player to appear for the club who was born in the Super League era. The squad in full is: 1. Zak Hardaker 2. Ben Jones-Bishop 5. Ryan Hall 7. Rob Burrow 9. Paul McShane 10. Jamie Peacock (c) 11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan 12. Carl Ablett 17. Ian Kirke 18. Chris Clarkson 19. Mitch Achurch 21. Richard Moore 22. Jimmy Keinhorst 23.Brad Singleton 26. Liam Sutcliffe 27. Thomas Minns 28. Jordan Baldwinson 30. Alex Foster 31. Elliot Minchella Does that mean we win the grand final now or something?

www.therhinos.co.uk/news/20702.php#.UcRWDPmkpsM Leeds Rhinos 19 man squad is entirely made up of players eligible to play for England and includes 15 players from the club's academy structure with only Mitch Achurch, Jamie Peacock, Ian Kirke and Zak Hardaker not developed by the Rhinos. The average age of the 19 man squad to face the Giants is just 24 and, if selected, Minchella would become the first Leeds player to appear for the club who was born in the Super League era. The squad in full is: 1. Zak Hardaker 2. Ben Jones-Bishop 5. Ryan Hall 7. Rob Burrow 9. Paul McShane 10. Jamie Peacock (c) 11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan 12. Carl Ablett 17. Ian Kirke 18. Chris Clarkson 19. Mitch Achurch 21. Richard Moore 22. Jimmy Keinhorst 23.Brad Singleton 26. Liam Sutcliffe 27. Thomas Minns 28. Jordan Baldwinson 30. Alex Foster 31. Elliot Minchella Does that mean we win the grand final now or something?

FFS

This thread pretty much sums up the parochial nature of Rugby League fans in the UK

Leeds, Wigan and Saints do a grand job of keeping these young lad coming through.

Trust us lot to make negatives out of a positive.

Its b00dy cringeworthy

Agreed.

We should be proud such great clubs produce so many talented youngsters through their academies.

Instead in turns into a "Ours are better than yours" argument every single time.

Leeds production line is better than wigans.

Just on this point, isn't Keinhorst locked in with Germany at the moment? And has Achurch moved his allegiance over to England, I must have missed that.

As to the "my production line is better than your production line" all I can say is "whatever". None of them are good enough still, and as to which is the very best: it's hard to tell. But I'd be more worried about the gulf between the top teams that seem to be able to hoover up all the talent and the rest. Or the shockingly disparate abilities of youth teams, giving very little experience of intensity.

Winning the competitons main prize 6 from 9 seasons?

It's not like they've won just a couple of grand finals. No other team has won the super league grand final more, so that's probably where it comes from.

The only reason wigans super league record is considered barron by some is because of the unrealistic abhorrant period of one off dominance which came directly before it.

When gary hetherington took over the club in 96 the club had won only 3 titles in their entire history and his mandate was to turn the club from underachievers into winners. The only way to do that is to win titles. So the club from top to bottom is structured around giving the club the best possible chance of success in october.

It's why forever more when someone mentions leeds big game prowess people will relentlessly say ''but what about the CC? what about the CC? WHAT ABOUT THE CC?'' Fact is there will always be better teams in the CC, unless the draw is incredibly kind. People will never get their head around this, but it won't change. Leeds will continue to not win the CC, and continue to be there or thereabouts on grand final night.

Of course the players and fans want to win the CC but it's placement is so close to playoff preperation that leeds are never likely to be very good at winning it because of the structures in place for grand final success. Despite all that they still manage to beat many of their rivals in the quarters and semis and make their fair share of finals.

Wigan Warriors: u19s Champions, Challenge Cup Winners & Grand Final Winners. I was getting nowhere on this thread with you pig headedness, so decided to wait until the end of the year. There can be no arguing, at this moment in time, Wigan have the best youth system, the best 19s and the best senior squad in UK Rugby League. A major part in this, is Wigan's vastly superior youth system. A youth system that saw the Mighty Leeds' u19s be destroyed on 2 consecutive matches. Leeds come closest, but they're still a long way behind Wigan.

I shall make no further comment