I think it would be better if every clubs produced their players and RETAINED their own than letting them go to other clubs. You keep pulling the "produce as many good players as Wigan" line but you've only got one more homegrown player than Bradford in your entire squad this season and even then, I'm not sure all of those named have played a first team game. How good would Wigan's side have been/be now if they'd kept some of the Wigan-bred players they had let go?



It's not how many you produce it's how good they are and whether you keep them. X club could produce 12 players but only 3 good enough to make their SL club. Y Club could produce the same amount and they retain 6.



The difference between Saints and yourselves is that Saints actively replace the Aussies they bring in with good English talent, whether it's their own or not. Look this term - their overseas players, Gidley, Soliola, Meli, Puletua, Flanney and Fa'asavalu were their overseas (note just the quota of 6 and no exemptions (unlike Wigan)). Gidley is going home AFAIK and they've replaced him with Shenton for next season. When Meli goes (possibly this year), they have Jamie Foster to replace him. Fa'asavalu has already gone and McCarthy-Scarsbrook has been touted as his replacement. If not, they have Jake Emmitt coming through.



My club has three overseas players signed up for next season and will have 11 or 12 Cas players in their squad with the likes of Ferres (who is a Cas lad but not through our academy) on our books too.



Quite frankly I think, I do, and so does every other person. Like I said, some Wigan fans cannot accept criticism of their team.

Firstly that was before IL was in charge. We have only lost one young player, we did not 'let him go'.

I'm pretty sure we have had the second most amount of young players in our first team this year showing that we don't just produce them but we do use them.

So saints are reducing their number of overseas players and so are we.

Other fans just cannot accept that Wigan are producing great young players AS WELL as signing top players from aus.

These top players will help and compliment want we already have, how can you put a negative spin on it. Oh sorry, it's Wigan.

Imagine this was Leeds, everyone would be creaming themselves about how good they will be next year and how it's a fantastic deal.

Why not?

If they were beating everyone in sight and forming the nucleus of the international team beating everyone in sight you would be unhappy?

You've reduced it by one so far. However, you still have one place available for another overseas signing or the retention of one your current players that may be leaving and therefore, should that happen, you wouldn't have reduced it by any at all (because Carmont no longer counts on the quota AFAIK).

I'm not "putting a negative spin" on it, or rather you're searching for one. I'm not bothered that Wigan have brought these three in - as I've mentioned on countless occasions before, a lot of clubs are doing it not just Wigan - get off your soapbox assuming it's just about Wigan. It's just a perfect example with it being current news.

As I've also said, Wigan's academy is good. I'm just a fan who wants England to succeed and I wish clubs would start using these youngsters more instead of trying to keep players on loopholes. Using the example of Carmont, don't you think it would have been better to release him and put Charnley - who is looking good at HKR in his place? Just these minor tweaks would make Wigan look better in terms of their youngsters and also look a proactive club in getting their quota down.

You need to stop thinking that I - and other fans - are getting at Wigan because it's Wigan.

it would be good. It would also be good if Wigan didnt need to bring in fairly average overseas players as well.

And at least three have already been replaced by overseas players. Its hardly a giant leap forward is it.

Saints have about half the overseas players wigan have.

well yes, you should be promoting youth.

the perfect balance in your opinion being a set of first choice backs with one player you have developed, one other english player, and the rest overseas players?

you cant argue with the fact that wigans back line consists of Aussie FB, Aussie Wing, british centre bought from another club, Kiwi Centre, Aussie Wing, Aussie Stand off British half.

Last night's line up consisted of:

English FB
English Winger
English Centre
Samoan Centre
Irish Winger
English Stand Off
Kiwi Scrum Half

You're all going to moan and say Richards is an Aussie, the fact is both his parents are Irish, he visits family over there regularly, plays for Ireland no matter what the standard of the opposition is and has stated he has no interest in playing for GB/England.

Warrington are another side I'm becoming frustrated with although they have brought through Riley, Harrison and co. in recent years. How they have got around the quota for next season is beyond me.

However, there is only Sam Tomkins and Mossop in that list you stated that have recently broke through over the last couple of seasons. Joel Tomkins and O'Loughlin have been around for several years now and are experienced Wigan players. What about new Wigan lads this season? Tuson and Farrell - is that it?

Tusson, Farrell and Charnley on loan - so that's at least 3 THIS season. And many more to come.

Has Charnley played in the first team for Wigan?

Joel is only 22. Hardly what you'd call experienced. As well as Tuson and Farrell we've had Stefan Marsh, Johnny Walker and Ben Davies make first team debuts this season as well as Josh Chranley make his Super League debut at on loan at Hull KR. Plus we've got several players out on dual registraion at places like Widnes, Whitehaven and Blackpool

That wasn't the question, the poster asked who had broken through!