The lists ought to be around younger players to be meaningful. Leeds can count the likes of Ryan Hall, Kallum Watkins (I know he's from elsewhere but he's been first team since 17), Ablett, Singleton, Jones-Buchanan etc, but most of the ones included in lists have been around for years.

If anything Leeds' record in recent years has been really poor for a club our size - helping to contribute to our current poor situation. In terms of younger players we have Walker, Golding, Handley (although he's in his 5th year of first team), Holroyd, Lilley, Newman, Oleddzki and Smith who have played this year. You'd have to say of that lot its too early to tell on Holroyd, but Walker, Oledzki and Smith are the only ones so far to show real promise in the first team. Not saying others won't make it, but given that we're supposed to be one of the biggest clubs, its hardly a good record of late.

Even in such a dreadful season as this we've only given one debut, to Holroyd. Our Academy ought to have 3/4 players every year who are able to play at least a couple of games in the first team. From all accounts we're going back to focus much more on junior development, but there have been far too many gaps to even warrant calling it a production line (or similar cliche). As an example I think Luke Gale was the last decent half back our Academy produced, and he's 30.

Catalans threw in a load of kids last week.

Nothing stopping a side from giving players experience towards the back end of the season with nothing to play. HTH.

Thanks for replying and answering this.

So on this point, how do they determine who falls into whose scholarship/academy? If for example, someone starts on Wakefield Scholarship but leaves at 18 and joins say the Leeds academy and players 2 seasons there, before going to say Huddersfield at the age of 20 where he makes his senior debut, who actually gets the credit?

I think the credit for this would be split but I’m not entirely sure

Not so long ago I remember the question being raised of whether we should take academies away from the clubs and centralize them as regional academies. The argument was that some big clubs could cherry pick the best whilst other academies acted as a seive. The suggestion was that the likes of Wigan and Leeds benefited at the expense of other clubs. Although a fair point it does not take into account the money and effort put into the game by the more successful clubs. providers
Like the parent club, success at academy level depends on being able to attract and hold onto the best. This often includes being able to offer a good standard of education and life training as well through links with outside providers. That way even players who do not make the grade have something to fall back on. All of this takes time and money. I certainly do not begrudge any club the chance to have first pick because without our best academies the whole system would need complete reorganisation but as others have suggested it is more complex than the original question suggests.

Just from the current squad:
Lomax
Swift
Percival
Makinson
Grace
Smith
Richardson
Thompson
Roby
Lees
Ashworth
Wilkin (I know but played academy first)
Knowles

I don’t think any other Team could get close to that level of academy trained quality for a starting XIII.

Tomkins
Burgess
Manfredi
Marshall
T Davies
Gildart
Williams
Powell
Sutton
Farrell
Lockers
Ganson
Shorrocks
Wells
Field
Forsyth
Higginson
Bretherton
Kibula
M Davies
Woods
Partington
Worthington
Mullen
Paisley

All played first team this season (apart from Manfredi who’s due back next week).

In terms of quality produced, consistently, you have Wigan, Leeds and Saints. Then daylight between the rest

Regards

King James

You've just been told Wakefield were third last year after Wigan ans Saints but above Leeds and Cas by the clubs CEO - so what bit don't you get.

Agreed it's a snapshot of just one 12 month period however I'd love to know where you get 'daylight' comment from, where's your proof for the las recorded 12 month period?

He meant in terms of quality over time I'd assume, not numbers produced.

Even you'd admit that James Roby is better than Kyle Wood right?

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Im talking longer than 12 months. The key was “consistently”

Regards

King James

Paul white started at hudds

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