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Have you ever actually seen Widdop play?

I wouldn't ever have Burrow starting for Leeds never mind England. He's a headless chicken, which is more use off the bench but he is no organiser.

Best thing England can do is change it's half back pairing to Wddop and Burrow right before a do or die match against the kiwis!

I'll have what your having!

We destroyed them last run out when they had benji at SO with this same Sinfield and Chase combination what makes everyone think this will be so much harder and by the sounds of some people nigh on impossible ?

Sinfield is the reason we will lose, he is not a scrum half and until we get a proper 7 in that position we will not come close to beating NZ or Australia.

Yes. A scrum half is the reason we can't beat australia and NZ.

Be right back, 5 tries to 4 despite lack of territory (opening ceremony).

Be right back, 28-6 with sinfield and chase in the halfbacks (2011 semi).

It's pointless, people on here have been brainwashed. No matter what happens, it's the halfbacks fault.

It's become a cliche. To out and out say sinfield is the reason we will lose, when theres going to be forwards dropping off conceding territory and losing control of the ruck is frankly a disgrace.

But yet he gets in the Opta team of the week playing at scrum half. Rated 8.5 out of 10 vs Australia by NRL.com. Rated 8 out of 10 vs Fiji by NRL.com.

But like all the Sinfield haters, don't let the facts get in the way of your lack of knowledge.

I don't think that's what "the haters" have been complaining about. I think at the fact he's playing scrum half. Sinfield is a great tackler and tactical kicker, but can he create enough to warrant the 7 shirt. How many tries has he set up this tournament?

I would have had Sinfield in the team, at 13 so he can do what he does best. At 7 he should be creating, which he's not really done. He's not played bad, but not created enough.

And flex, your a bit hypocritical, your posts are always worded as fact. Remeber pre grand final your stating on here saying Wigan would Defintely not beat wire. Our forwards are fine. Wasn't like we spent the entire game in our half. It was an even contest against Australia. As a half back, you can't just rely on the forwards givin you territory all the time. Sometimes you have to take the game by the scruff of the neck and create something. What world class players do. Agree with you about stupid penalties though, we're more ill disciplined than NZ and need to tidy that up.

so, you're going in with an open mind then. if we lose you are going to blame Sinfield whatever the actual reason.

He has the same amount of try assists as Thurston and one more than Cronk.

FWIW Chase has double the amount of any Australian halfback.

...You forgot the fake blood capsules

I think the OP got a bit over excited but I can see his point, there is a lot of goal kicking in origin for example.

Personally I agree with Tony Smith on this one in that all it does is give the opposition chance to have a breather and a few words from the sideline. How many times do you see a team take two points only to mess up seconds later?

It was a tactic which Shaun Wane tried against Warrington last year, twice he took the two and from what I can remember, on both occasions we scored pretty much straight off the back of it.

There are times when it is the right thing to do though and in a tough, low scoring game that extra two point cushion can be great mentally if nothing else. I guess the blokes on the field know best.

Fiji took 2 v Aussie in the pool match...I suspect it was purely so as to avoid a 3rd doughnut in 4 games......they lost 2-34

The lack of "taking the 2" in RL was one of the things that got me hooked on League.

Very poor kicking game from the cone & 5th & last.

That is why England lost. Not individual errors as everyone played to their best. Some silly mistakes BUT

Englands Kicking was rubbish all game. Sinfield, Burrow, Roby and Widdop were poor kicking on the last.