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Quote: Wellsy13 "In terms of "blaming the referee", it's not his fault and everyone if responsible for their own actions.

However, I don't agree that the referee cannot do anything about it. Good officiating uses good strategies to help prevent poor behaviour, sort of like a teacher. You cannot just impose your authority and just expect everyone to behave unfortunately. You SHOULD be able to, but the reality is that it does not work like that. Same as a classroom. You build up respect, you show respect, but you dish out consequences correctly and fairly and at the right times to prevent further problems.

Whilst the referee is not to blame for the actions of players or fans, they are in a position to prevent it before it even starts. It is something the RFL should train their referees to do more so we have less of this bickering becoming violent.'"


I'm interested to know what you think Child could or should have done differently.

From what I saw, Child was clear in his decision making, communicating with the players and trying to get the game to flow. If the players are determined not to respond to that, at what point do we point the finger at them? These aren't school kids - they're professionals who should know better.

Chris Hill is a player that seems to have particular issue with taking instruction from James Child and last night was not the first time he has had issues with him. Maybe the real issue is Chris Hill?

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Alcohol is undoubtedly a factor, and perhaps this has been an accident waiting to happen because of the holiday effect of going there. Fans spend all day in the pub pre-game, in the heat, and usually people enjoy themselves, but alcohol shortens the trigger. Add in a heated game, frustration, and provocative actions by home fans, and you get what we saw, disgraceful scenes.

Perhaps the clubs need to stop people entering the ground if people seem affected by alcohol. If fans know they can't get in trollied, perhaps they won't go in trollied. When Wakefield played London in the first game of the season, some of the fans behaved pretty badly, with some seats damaged, but you could tell from many that they must have started drinking on the bus or train as soon as it set off. The sober ones weren't smashing seats or being aggressive.

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There seem to be two entirely separate issues here - 1) the appalling behaviour of a minority of fans at the game, and 2) the issue of the tactics of the Catalan Dragons and whether the referee acted appropriately in disciplining them.

The first has nothing to do with the referee or the players, and needs to be dealt with by the respective clubs, the RFL, and possibly the police if any crimes have been committed. The second seems to be an issue for the SL disciplinary to take up in the usual way - if the referee has missed any serious misdemeanours then I expect to see the culprits punished with bans and fines.

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There some very good posts only seeing to blame all except officials which is the normal default on these occasions.
Ultimately that position works on most occasions thus good behaviour generally holds the sports position.
However, even all other spectator sports have had their moments with injustices causing incitement, that position can be argued as no defence for that sort of behaviour, but in truth, we are talking human beings in a passionate cauldron, still not an excuse but a factual cause & effect. Football has long recognized incitement, cause & effect.
Child's has a history of only ruling on occurances, he does not use experience to judge early unnecessary behaviour, this he has a history of looking control & rising frustration ! Therefore the rugby football league have demoted him again which has happened before. Both clubs coaches have spoken out about him & his stance during the match ! I am no referee basher, but this man constantly makes wrong reads & pressure builds amongst the players which spills onto the both sets of supporters, behaviour good, indifferent & bad breeds the same behaviour to others, laughter, happens the same & spreads to others, this being a human thing - Right of wrong !
Hence, the well known thing, behaviour breeds behaviour.

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Quote: TrinTrin "I have just read the statement put out by the RFL - they are set to investigate by the sounds & fine etc to stamp this behaviour out of the game, they will not investigate the ref or his actions & his in-actions. He will be protected & all blame will be on the players & the away club fans, they will not act on Catalan as they protect a foreign team within the league. It is a pet thing they have with the perceived spread of the game.
It's too easy to blame people who & clubs, to be seen external to the wider news media & to be seen to be acting strong.
They will Definately protect the official ref, quote" what ever the ref rules, players must respect his decisions " therfore, the ref knows he is protected & will continue in his " protected ignorance " therefore the game is in disrepute legally to all RL supporters & all must accept !!!!!!I
We are light years behind the NRL in officiating a match & have no inkling that the product is in the entertainment game.'"



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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Gallanteer "Simple answer - ban the sale of alcohol before and during the game.'"

Quote: Gallanteer "So...a handful of idiots act like idiots and you punish everyone?
I've never seen a punch thrown at a London Broncos home game and see no reason to penalise visitors to the wedding venue because a couple of idiots decide to go all Anglo Saxon.
In this day and age, I reckon it'l be easy enough to identify them and ban then for life with n need for a sledgehammer to crack the nut.'"


Quote: Gallanteer "This is a popular misconception. You don't need alcohol to have fun/relax.'"

Where in my post above did I say anything other than in my opinion it was wrong to blanket ban an entire fan-base based on the actions of a few?

BTW, Despite both your holier than though and insulting insinuation regarding the need for alcohol, I am well aware that you don't need alcohol to have fun or relax, but that's not what I suggested......I would however point to your "carpet bombing approach" to stop a few idiots to being anything but a "simple answer"...unless the emphasis on the word simple was meant as "not quite the full shilling".

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