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| More on the western terrace, I'd have said 
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Just providing another side to the debate. Been plenty of criticism and mocking of Leeds and Bradford etc. so why can’t we have a closer look at the others and question them and their suitably? Your right I did say Trinity is marketable now, but nothing wrong with questioning why? In case it appeals to the older generation, why is that any better than appealing to the younger generation?
I can reply to you because you can have a proper debate, Vastman no point, he has clearly snapped at the first questioning of his club whilst hypocritically forgetting how many times he and a few others have ridiculed and mocked Rhinos, Bulls, Wolves and Co. during this thread. I’ve not written anything worst than they have about other clubs.'"
I understand.
I have beef with Rhinos (apart from the rugby). They picked a nickname that I don't think was used in major sport anywhere else and made it work.
Peter Deakin at Bulls learned his trade in America and visited Chicago Bulls. He took the idea and sprinted with it. Both went for a new audience and got them.
Wakefield with less money to market and less success to bond to did a half decent job with Wildcats. I saw plenty of kids go wild for the mascot before they even noticed the game.
It was pushed out mainly because the brand was associated with the financial mismanagement and the Trinity name still retained a lot of integrity in the city.
I prefer wearing a leasure shirt with the Trinity logo than the Wildcat one and I bwonder if we sell less kids ones now. But more adults......that's more money so not a bad thing. .
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"TBF you could say the same about the recent Trinity rebrand with your jump up the table in recent seasons. Would it have gone as well if you were still near the bottom?'"
I think we'd still have sold more gear because Wildcats was such a lame moniker. Had it been Wakefield Rhinos instead, a rebrand to Trinity would still have been just as popular too. As others have said, if it works for the club then that's what's right for the club.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"TBF you could say the same about the recent Trinity rebrand with your jump up the table in recent seasons. Would it have gone as well if you were still near the bottom?'"
I think it was a case of “speculate to accumulate “ the rebrand undoubtedly created more funds to build a better quality playing squad.
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| Quote Shifty Cat="Shifty Cat" Salford a few years ago tried to try something new, going from being the reds to linking them in with Man United and the Red Devils. I don't know how their fans felt about it at the time but from my perspective, it felt the owner was just jumping onto an idea hoping it'd work.'"
Are you being serious and suggesting we decided it would be a good idea to "borrow" United's nickname ????
You really should have some idea what you are talking about before putting it to print, if you said United decided to use our nickname which proved to be very successful for them you would have been correct.
[iSalford were the first club to be invited to tour France who saw them as the premier side in the game. Their trip in October and November 1934 was to promote rugby league in the country. They won all six matches in spectacular fashion and were given their unofficial nickname; Les Diables Rouges (The Red Devils) by French journalists. The opening game was in Paris on Sunday 21 October, following an overnight ferry journey, having beaten Wigan 21–12 in the Lancashire Cup final the previous afternoon.[/i
[iSir Matt Busby,legendary united manager, adopted this nickname for his team which he was rebuilding after the Munich air disaster of 1958.He no longer wanted to continue with the nickname "The Busby Babes" and hence took the nickname of the aforementioned rugby team which was performing very well at the time.[/i
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| Quote Salford red all over="Salford red all over"Are you being serious and suggesting we decided it would be a good idea to "borrow" United's nickname ????
You really should have some idea what you are talking about before putting it to print, if you said United decided to use our nickname which proved to be very successful for them you would have been correct.
[iSalford were the first club to be invited to tour France who saw them as the premier side in the game. Their trip in October and November 1934 was to promote rugby league in the country. They won all six matches in spectacular fashion and were given their unofficial nickname; Les Diables Rouges (The Red Devils) by French journalists. The opening game was in Paris on Sunday 21 October, following an overnight ferry journey, having beaten Wigan 21–12 in the Lancashire Cup final the previous afternoon.[/i
[iSir Matt Busby,legendary united manager, adopted this nickname for his team which he was rebuilding after the Munich air disaster of 1958.He no longer wanted to continue with the nickname "The Busby Babes" and hence took the nickname of the aforementioned rugby team which was performing very well at the time.[/i'"
What sort of gats did Salford get in the early days if you were so good do you know
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| Quote Salford red all over="Salford red all over"Are you being serious and suggesting we decided it would be a good idea to "borrow" United's nickname ????
You really should have some idea what you are talking about before putting it to print, if you said United decided to use our nickname which proved to be very successful for them you would have been correct.
[iSalford were the first club to be invited to tour France who saw them as the premier side in the game. Their trip in October and November 1934 was to promote rugby league in the country. They won all six matches in spectacular fashion and were given their unofficial nickname; Les Diables Rouges (The Red Devils) by French journalists. The opening game was in Paris on Sunday 21 October, following an overnight ferry journey, having beaten Wigan 21–12 in the Lancashire Cup final the previous afternoon.[/i
[iSir Matt Busby,legendary united manager, adopted this nickname for his team which he was rebuilding after the Munich air disaster of 1958.He no longer wanted to continue with the nickname "The Busby Babes" and hence took the nickname of the aforementioned rugby team which was performing very well at the time.[/i'"
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Lot of potential in Salford if it can be harnessed.
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| Quote Someday="Someday"What sort of gats did Salford get in the early days if you were so good do you know'"
Gates?
I’m not sure of their crowds when they played in Manchester when they were first formed (they started out in Hulme and then Moss Side) but when they moved to the Willows they used to get 15-20000 and then 20000+ at times in the 1930s. Just after the French press gave them their nickname of “les diables rouge” they got a crowd of 26470 against Wire.
Even a Salford schools’ final in 1932 got a crowd of 10000.
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| Salford were always the red devils as far as I can remember.
I thought they cut "devils" during that period of sooper dooper nfl/baseball/basketball re-branding, I dunno.
Not everything transposed from those sports looks as crass, the marketing of the event, corporate and event entertainment and the general hyperbole introduce was a decent refresh of an old format.
But once you start messing with a hundred years of club identity, it riles people up, not surprising really.
It was when it was introduced, and its now.
Not picking on Leeds particularly but I guess there'll be paying fans now that have never known them as anything other than the Rhinos, which I think is a shame, and I kinda wonder how they'd feel about dropping it after 20 years.
If not dropping it then at least putting something on there that ties them to 130 years of history playing Rugby in Leeds.
Leeds Rhinos sounds like they were formed yesterday and that it could be something else tomorrow, it gives no hint of their stature or level of participation in creating our sport over the years.
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