FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Reasons for a poor league
76 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain15No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 20159 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2018Nov 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



There seems to be a lack of good halfbacks in the league and its popular to play potentially good halfs at fullback. I also think the wrestle around the ruck is ruining the game and the officials are incapable of refereeing it. Hicks was shocking in the game this weekend. He gave penalties with absolutely no consistency. We're also starting to see superleague players diving to win penalties from incompetent referees. Get rid of the dominant tackles and have a consistant time allowed in the tackle

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2088
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Nov 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: wrencat1873 "And yet we keep on reducing the size of the top flight to create more intense games ?
We used to have a 16 club top flight, then 14, then 12, briefly back to 14 and now back to 12, with the big clubs wanting to reduce to 10.
This process hasn't worked and it seems clear that the big 4 just want a larger slice of the Sky cake.

What we have done is to cut the total numbers of full time professional players and bearing in mind that players develop at different times/speed, is to shrink the talent pool and the downward spiral continues.

We have to "sell our game" much harder and realise a better value when negotiating TV rights and stop "giving away" tickets to the big events.

Improved marketing and encouraging ticket sales through the clubs would be a step in the right direction'"


As SmokeyTA says, Super League was reduced from 14 to 12 teams but the number of professional clubs wasn't reduced. The new structure has also allowed Championship clubs to be more ambitious. Leigh have certainly signed up a number of players who could have added depth to Super League. With players continuing to leave for the NRL and clubs promoting from the under 19's we've seen the talent spread out across Super League and in the Championship.

We seem to be getting the 'more competitive' league from the point of view that two previously top teams (Leeds and Huddersfield) are in the qualifying 8's while Hull are fighting for top spot while Catalans probably would have been too had it not been for injuries. Castleford also could have been up there with better luck on the injury front.

It could be argued that some bigger clubs are stockpiling talent and depriving other Super League clubs from creating enough depth in their squad, although they'd no doubt argue that if they bring so many players through the academy they're entitled to keep who they want. Wigan have 37 professional players under contract next season, and that's assuming Matty Smith goes to Saints. Not sure what the numbers are for other clubs but that seems quite a large squad.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach22777
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Feb 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: wrencat1873 "No, you're wrong

The old first division was 16 clubs
Super league commenced in 1995 with 12 clubs
Increased from 12 to 14 clubs in 2009
Cut back to 12 clubs in 2014

Yes, the increased funding for finishing in the top 4 of the Championship has muddies the waters, with regards to full time professional clubs but, the reduction from 14 to 12 has done little to ramp up intensity and the fact that the top 4 clubs were just about sorted before the start of this seasons Super 8's has probably reduced the "intensity" in games thus far.'"

because we havent gone from 14 to 12. London and Bradford stayed full time, leigh joined them. So we went from 14 to 15 and a few who were playing at it.

RankPostsTeam
International Star17952
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
simpsons/simp006.gif
:simpsons/simp006.gif



Quote: SmokeyTA "because we havent gone from 14 to 12. London and Bradford stayed full time, leigh joined them. So we went from 14 to 15 and a few who were playing at it.'"


But that full time element is by no means certain for the future is it ?
Bradford may go part time and London, who knows.

Either way, the top flight is 2 clubs light (4 if you compare back to the old first division), which necessarily shrinks both the talent pool and the opportunity for young players who may want a career in RL.

My poit was that far from increasing intensity in the top flight, the new structure has diminished it, unless you count the games in the Qualifiers ??

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach22777
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Feb 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: wrencat1873 "But that full time element is by no means certain for the future is it ?
Bradford may go part time and London, who knows.

Either way, the top flight is 2 clubs light (4 if you compare back to the old first division), which necessarily shrinks both the talent pool and the opportunity for young players who may want a career in RL.

My poit was that far from increasing intensity in the top flight, the new structure has diminished it, unless you count the games in the Qualifiers ??'"

And im agreeing with you. Im saying that shrinking the top flight from 14 to 12 should have seen the best players of the two worst clubs distributed amongst the others. Concentrating the talent. It didnt because those two stayed full time, leigh joined them and others could offer more to more players. We have expanded the number of clubs taking from the player pool and not increased the player pool.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach689
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2019Apr 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

[quote="FlexWheeler":8f22o6ue]The extent of his coaching is ''BASH EM, JUST F*CKING BASH EM. HE'S LOW ON CONFIDENCE, BASH HIM'' He's a limited coach that won't last long term.[/quote:8f22o6ue] .... [quote="rubber duckie":8f22o6ue]That would make Wigan strong favourites then. With Ratchford at FB and Patton with Cronk in the halves, I think we'll do very well without Sam.[/quote:8f22o6ue]:



Premiership rugby union make an announcement that they are actually going to freeze their salary cap for a couple of years, at £7m. Would be amazed to see us unfreeze ours.

They bring in the sponsorship and tv money by allowing the big teams to spend money and attract the stars. The smaller teams (Sale being one of those) have managed to attract big new sponsors and owners due to being in that league.

Polar opposite of Rugby League where we constrain our clubs (and by god don't the clubs want it. Wouldnt you rather pay your employees less if you ran a business?!?!?!?!) and drag the whole competition level into the gutter. Many of the casual viewers I knew have stopped going to games and watching on tv. What hope to we have of attracting sponsors if these sorts of fans walk away.

76 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
76 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


3.73095703125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Film game
karetaker
4018
8m
Rumours thread
The Avenger
2406
19m
Leigh it is
Cokey
38
26m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Cuddleclub
3276
Recent
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
sir adrian m
6
Recent
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3165
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2390
Recent
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
Recent
Championship Play Off Final
Redscat
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Cuddleclub
3276
27s
Championship Play Off Final
Redscat
1
28s
Film game
karetaker
4018
28s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
ocdstephen
10057
39s
Proposed rule changes 2025
chapylad
4
47s
Ground Improvements
imwakefieldt
93
47s
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
49s
Leigh it is
Cokey
38
50s
Call for funds
faxcar
107
57s
Staying or Not
rollin thund
50
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
Redscat
1
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
Captain Hook
12
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
chapylad
4
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Rafa9
12
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Wollo-Wollo-
16
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
sir adrian m
6
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
Cokey
38
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Break Saints Hearts With Golden Point Win
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
557
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
609
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1011
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1327
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1090
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1502
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1214
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1454
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1585
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1855
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1553
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1629
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1817
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1638
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2078
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M +13,072 ↓-680,12914,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Fri 4th Oct
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R29
20:00
Hull KR
v
Warrington
 Sat 5th Oct
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R29
17:30
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sun 6th Oct
     National Rugby League 2024-R31
09:30
Melbourne
v
Penrith
       League One 2024-R26
15:00
Keighley
v
Hunslet
       Championship 2024-R29
15:00
Bradford
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Widnes
     Womens Super League 2024-R16
16:30
York V
v
St.HelensW
 Sun 27th Oct
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 4th Oct
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Warrington
Sat 5th Oct
SL
17:30
Wigan-Leigh
Sun 6th Oct
L1
15:00
Keighley-Hunslet
WSL2024
16:30
York V-St.HelensW
NRL
09:30
Melbourne-Penrith
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 29th Sep
L1 25 Rochdale26-46Hunslet
CH 28 Barrow24-26Widnes
CH 28 Bradford50-0Swinton
CH 28 Dewsbury28-8Sheffield
CH 28 Wakefield72-6Doncaster
CH 28 Whitehaven23-20Halifax
CH 28 York16-6Featherstone
Sat 28th Sep
CH 28 Toulouse64-16Batley
SL 28 Warrington23-22St.Helens
NRL 30 Penrith26-6Cronulla
Fri 27th Sep
SL 28 Salford6-14Leigh
NRL 30 Melbourne48-18Sydney
Sun 22nd Sep
CH 27 Batley28-14Swinton
CH 27 Halifax14-10Bradford
CH 27 Swinton20-22Doncaster
L1 24 Hunslet18-14Midlands
L1 24 Keighley26-22Rochdale
WSL2024 15 LeedsW10-12York V
WSL2024 15 St.HelensW18-4WiganW
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Warrington 28 761 341 420 42
Hull KR 27 719 327 392 42
Leigh 28 580 404 176 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
Bradford 26 678 387 291 34
York 27 655 469 186 30
Widnes 26 551 475 76 29
Featherstone 26 622 500 122 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Film game
karetaker
4018
8m
Rumours thread
The Avenger
2406
19m
Leigh it is
Cokey
38
26m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Cuddleclub
3276
Recent
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
sir adrian m
6
Recent
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3165
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2390
Recent
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
Recent
Championship Play Off Final
Redscat
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Cuddleclub
3276
27s
Championship Play Off Final
Redscat
1
28s
Film game
karetaker
4018
28s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
ocdstephen
10057
39s
Proposed rule changes 2025
chapylad
4
47s
Ground Improvements
imwakefieldt
93
47s
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
49s
Leigh it is
Cokey
38
50s
Call for funds
faxcar
107
57s
Staying or Not
rollin thund
50
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
Redscat
1
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
Captain Hook
12
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
chapylad
4
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Rafa9
12
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Wollo-Wollo-
16
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
sir adrian m
6
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
Cokey
38
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Break Saints Hearts With Golden Point Win
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
557
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
609
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1011
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1327
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1090
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1502
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1214
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1454
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1585
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1855
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1553
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1629
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1817
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1638
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2078


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!