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| Have we had the full info on what happens after the split into 3 x 8 set up.
At a rough guess if the season starts mid February, then depending on cup ties, the split will be mid August.
It isn't practical for each group of 8 to play each other home and away so I assume they'll only play each other once, which isn't very balanced.
Will we still have a play off?
Will the play off winners be champs or will it be league leaders.
Apologies if this has already been explained but I seem to have missed it.
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"...automatic P&R... Yeah, clubs would go bust, we'd have totally unsuitable clubs in Super League, the standard of the league would go backwards and the sport would be ridiculously unstable....'"
Don't know where you get that from; doesn't appear to have done Premier league / Football league soccer any harm.
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| Quote Mr Churchill="Mr Churchill"Don't know where you get that from; doesn't appear to have done Premier league / Football league soccer any harm.'"
Both divisions in football are full time and get millions to pay staff with. A bit different to Wigan and Batley.
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| This year London, Salford, Widnes and Castleford would have split to join Fev, Fax, Leigh and Sheffield.
London are the worst team in SL this year without a shadow of a doubt (if not in the history of the comp) and they have comfortably dealt with Sheffield and Fev already....the 12-12/8-8-8 plan is flawed on so many levels, but specifically on the full time v part time basis.
1 Group of players will be at work Monday to Friday whilst the others will be training, recovering in state of the art facilities and being prepared for a game at the weekend.....this is not the Challenge cup where a team will step up for a big game...this is every weekend league fixture stuff.
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"This year London, Salford, Widnes and Castleford would have split to join Fev, Fax, Leigh and Sheffield.
London are the worst team in SL this year without a shadow of a doubt (if not in the history of the comp) and they have comfortably dealt with Sheffield and Fev already....the 12-12/8-8-8 plan is flawed on so many levels, but specifically on the full time v part time basis.
1 Group of players will be at work Monday to Friday whilst the others will be training, recovering in state of the art facilities and being prepared for a game at the weekend.....this is not the Challenge cup where a team will step up for a big game...this is every weekend league fixture stuff.'"
And that is why the entire proposal is nonesense and as such I cant even believe it is being pushed the way it is. Unless all clubs are full time and get similar levels of funding then it simply will not work. As there is not enough money in the game to raise the salary cap and sustain 14 teams then there certainly isnt to sustain the 24 full time teams that would be needed for this to work.
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| If the stupid split is voted ahead, that will be the final straw for me.
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| Quote pmarrow="pmarrow"If the stupid split is voted ahead, that will be the final straw for me.'"
And yet some like myself might well be tempted back by having meaningful fixtures again
That is not to say I think this is a good idea, IMO licencing could have worked better, but it required more support for the lower tiers and a more honest approach from the RFL, but that went straight out of the window with the Crusader farce
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"This year London, Salford, Widnes and Castleford would have split to join Fev, Fax, Leigh and Sheffield.
London are the worst team in SL this year without a shadow of a doubt (if not in the history of the comp) and they have comfortably dealt with Sheffield and Fev already....the 12-12/8-8-8 plan is flawed on so many levels, but specifically on the full time v part time basis.
1 Group of players will be at work Monday to Friday whilst the others will be training, recovering in state of the art facilities and being prepared for a game at the weekend.....this is not the Challenge cup where a team will step up for a big game...this is every weekend league fixture stuff.'"
No. Wrong. The new structure will be fantastic for the game here and if, as proposed, it is left in place for decades, the game will be stonger and grow incrementally over time.
The clubs mentioned currently at the top end of the Championship will have central funding (Sky money) 5 times more than they get now plus, with something to play for (i.e promotion), will generate higher revenue themselves. There will be 23 league games in the initial 12 team leagues each season with only 7 after the the 8-8-8 split.
We're talking about what's best for RL in this country not in Australia (where they both do what is best for them & where they obsess more with aping the USA rather than Europe).
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| Quote Mr Churchill="Mr Churchill"The clubs mentioned currently at the top end of the Championship will have central funding (Sky money) 5 times more than they get now plus, with something to play for (i.e promotion), will generate higher revenue themselves. '"
Can you point me towards where you have got these figures and how much does a Championship club get now? After all 5 times say £50,000 is still sweet FA in terms of running a full time squad competing against Wigan, Leeds, Saints etc on crowds of 10,000+ and getting £1.2 million in Sky money. It is still nothing compared to the likes of Hull KR, Wakefield etc getting this amount of Sky money and approx 8,000 crowds. What about the clubs at the bottom end of the Championship, how much will they get in this new structure? Is this less than the top Championship clubs you mention?
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| Quote Mr Churchill="Mr Churchill"No. Wrong. The new structure will be fantastic for the game here and if, as proposed, it is left in place for decades, the game will be stonger and grow incrementally over time.'"
How many suns on your planet?
Quote Mr Churchill="Mr Churchill"The clubs mentioned currently at the top end of the Championship will have central funding (Sky money) 5 times more than they get now plus, with something to play for (i.e promotion), will generate higher revenue themselves. There will be 23 league games in the initial 12 team leagues each season with only 7 after the the 8-8-8 split.'"
The clubs at the top average about 2,000 attendance......the game in general can't attract sponsors, but youthink Fev v London at the end of the season is the answer
Quote Mr Churchill="Mr Churchill"We're talking about what's best for RL in this country not in Australia (where they both do what is best for them & where they obsess more with aping the USA rather than Europe).'"
I dunno......a billion dollar TV deals and 17k averages aren't too shabby
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| Quote Famous="Famous"Can you point me towards where you have got these figures and how much does a Championship club get now? '"
The details are not yet known as the RFL Executive is still formulating them prior to being voted on by the clubs. My information is that the amounts will be determined each season and vary according to final league placings but, intially, I understand current top end Championship clubs will get nearer £700k rather than c £140k.
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