Why does a players past have anything to do with it, Kirmond was one of the stand out second rowers last season and for him not to even get a knights look in is a joke.
If London make the playoffs it will be from the bottom half of the table, i'm pretty confident about that.

Hmm, Gower is obviously quality but think Smith is nearer than you seem to think, managed to push our lot round the park superbly last season and some of his long range passing was unreal.

i always thought the Broncos squad from 2012 looked great on paper and should be above us (Wakey) for example, based on past reputations etc.

"Him" is about right, although i don't agree with every comparison. However he is a neutral and i am not. I may sway towards (or indeed against) Wakefield players because i see them every week and only see the Broncos players occasionally or on highlights.

As for the thread, just about every club should be "top 8 material" at the start of the season - its hardly a stark revelation.

Bar Salford or Cas, i think every other team will probably be expecting to be top 8 this year.

I think even Widnes will be geared to taking that step and questions will be asked if they dont.

It wouldn’t be a huge shock to me to see a more established team like Hudds or Les Catalans struggle to make it this year.

i think Cas will have top 8 aspirations, only Salford look like no-hopers at the moment for obvious reasons.

Oh don't you love it when the Leeds handbag brigade are in full flow. So much give and so little take.

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Did I say that, don't recall it but if I did then good.

As for Antonio Kaufusi, he has one SOO in 2007 - Poore played in 3 in 2009. Win to Poore.

Kaufusi 2 losing GF - Poore none. Win of sorts to Kaufusi

Kaufusi 1 international

So Antonio Kaufusi pips it by one international as I believe 3 SOO beats 2 GF's as people like you are always telling us it's the pinnacle.
Even in your bitter biased little world there isn't much between them - now jog on and enjoy more Ryan Bailey.

Its just a pity he cant handle a cheap shot merchant in a sunday afternoon knock around.

Is this the Gower of now or 10 years ago.

You see Dave this is where you get confused. The Gower of today is a shadow of the player he was, and where the Smith v Gower comparison may have been laughable some years back it isn't anymore. To anyone who isn't a total blinkered wally it is now very valid.

Still whilst ever London and English fans in particular continue to swoon over truly past it Aussies then our game will continue to stagnate.

He did, what don't you get?

If London hit their straps , and stay injury free, I see no reason why they cant trouble the top 13.