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| Quote getdownmonkeyman="getdownmonkeyman"So, you seriously think, the above mentioned clubs have an additional £1.35 million per annum sloshing around in their coffers?'"
It may be true that they don't, but no mega-rich fan is going to invest to change that, because Rugby League doesn't want their money. If you want rich people's money, the only way they'll spend it is via a club, where they can feed their ego by trying to build a great team.
There are plenty mechanisms you can put in place to stop one team taking the p**s. Tough squad limits for one. The reason Wigan dominated when they outspent everyone was less to do with the 1st choice XIII, than it was the size of the bench. Not only did it mean Wigan could replace a missing international with another one, it meant other clubs didn't have the players to compete, because they were in Wigan's reserves. That can be fixed.
You can also 'tax' cap overspend to ensure rich investors money has some other benefit to the game.
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| Quote fatbaztod100="fatbaztod100"what is needed is more bigger games in the SL. '"
Increasing the intensity of our game is the only way and I think we're seeing it, no matter what the naysayers keep saying. Our game has improved immeasurably over the past ten years but people keep forgetting that as our's increases so does the NRL.
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| Quote WiganEd="WiganEd"It may be true that they don't, but no mega-rich fan is going to invest to change that, because Rugby League doesn't want their money. If you want rich people's money, the only way they'll spend it is via a club, where they can feed their ego by trying to build a great team.'"
I'm not so sure about that. The current cap, where we can guarantee a limit on player salary expense, that there will never be a race away of player salaries and we can put a fixed number on the expense needed to be construct a competitve team, is more likely to attract investment than discourage it.
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| Wiganers seem to be obsessed with raising the salary cap as they perceive it is "holding back" Wigan, with their sort-of rich backer, from buying up all the best players and dominating the game like what they did back in The Golden Age.
My club could legitimately outspend Wigan, and the rest of the league, if they chose. But I'd rather they didn't as it isn't in the best interests of the game for Leeds and Wigan and the Wire to hoover up all the best players in the league leaving the rest of SL a moribund mess. But then Wiganers never seem to consider anything other than the small-minded interest of their own club.
So a hint: what's "good" for Wigan is not necessarily what is good for the game.
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| Quote MjM="MjM"Wiganers seem to be obsessed with raising the salary cap as they perceive it is "holding back" Wigan, with their sort-of rich backer, from buying up all the best players and dominating the game like what they did back in The Golden Age.
My club could legitimately outspend Wigan, and the rest of the league, if they chose. But I'd rather they didn't as it isn't in the best interests of the game for Leeds and Wigan and the Wire to hoover up all the best players in the league leaving the rest of SL a moribund mess. But then Wiganers never seem to consider anything other than the small-minded interest of their own club.
So a hint: what's "good" for Wigan is not necessarily what is good for the game.'"
 Good to have you back sir.
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| Quote MjM="MjM"Wiganers seem to be obsessed with raising the salary cap as they perceive it is "holding back" Wigan, with their sort-of rich backer, from buying up all the best players and dominating the game like what they did back in The Golden Age.
My club could legitimately outspend Wigan, and the rest of the league, if they chose. But I'd rather they didn't as it isn't in the best interests of the game for Leeds and Wigan and the Wire to hoover up all the best players in the league leaving the rest of SL a moribund mess. But then Wiganers never seem to consider anything other than the small-minded interest of their own club.
So a hint: what's "good" for Wigan is not necessarily what is good for the game.'"
so when we lose sam tomkins to ru that is good for the game is it? Its not the salary cap what is a problem for me. Clubs should get rewarded for bringing through Home Growns and should be able to pay them what they want.
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| I like the idea of the salary cap but do think it is too low at the moment. In real terms RL wages have seen a big decline in recent years and even if RL's salary cap had increased in line with inflation it would be above £2 million now. Bearing in mind increasing SKY money, season tickets, crowds, RFL profits, sponsorship etc have all gone up in the time then where is all the extra money going? As far as I can tell no chairman seems to be in favour of the cap rising but at the same time they want all the kudos of owning a SL club without any expense.
I dont think that raising it, say to £2 million will make the league any less competitive but it will do an awful lot towards keeping not only our better players but also our younger players in the game. If clubs cant be trusted not to go bust cap it to £2 million and link it a percentage of revenue. Even this increase of £400,000 is only like 10 senior players getting an extra 20K and 20 lesser payed players getting another 10K. There are young, talented players, 17 and 18 year olds, who will be great players if they stay in the game, who are getting paid peanuts. Likewise there are young SL regulars who are getting less than 30K a year. Going forward the game has to offer more to not just these young players but potential players of the game.
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| Quote Richie="Richie"I'm not so sure about that. The current cap, where we can guarantee a limit on player salary expense, that there will never be a race away of player salaries and we can put a fixed number on the expense needed to be construct a competitve team, is more likely to attract investment than discourage it.'"
But all the evidence is to the contrary - money pours into the premier league despite the fact that you'll basically lose your shirt investing in Latics, Wolves, etc. I shouldn't have used the word 'invest' - the reality is that most rich people that put money into sport ( perhaps nowadays with the exception of the very top premier league sides ) do so more in hope (and for their egos) than expectation. Same in Union. But that's their fault - you can protect the sport without turning away their money.
Put it this way, if I won the Euromillions, I'd want to get Billy Slater, etc. to Wigan. I'd even sign Johnny Wilkinson - not for the sake of a player, just to get my club on the front pages and make people take notice of WIgan and Rugby League and shove one up the RaRa press. Now, if I was given free reign, it might screw the sport up, because in trying to make Wigan the greatest club bar none, I might fill it with Aussies and put the next best 50 players in the world in the reserves.
So I'd need some rules to stop me doing that. But in devising rules to stop *that* happening, you don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water and insist on a hard, and too low, cap.
Limit the squad, limit the overseas players, set a soft cap, where overspend is taxed and given to grass roots, and set another hard cap which is based on an independent auditors opinion of 'can the club afford this'.
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| The biggest problem is two fold, we have a salary cap which is not keeping pace with outside influences in Union and NRL. More potential England players will migrate to the NRL and to a lesser degree Union, It's possible around 50% of the international team will never be seen in Superleague, this means Superleague will be saturated with more average overseas players taking up most of the salary cap.
We have clubs with 8 to 10 overseas players, for me this is where the RFL fail miserably, we are no closer to accelerating home grown youth than we were 10 years ago.
For me Superleague has very little value in the sporting world in both sponsorship and investment and can,t compete in the market place.
The only way RL can increase in stature is if Football and Union overprice themselves and implode, but I don,t think I will be holding my breathe.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"The biggest problem is two fold, we have a salary cap which is not keeping pace with outside influences in Union and NRL. More potential England players will migrate to the NRL and to a lesser degree Union, It's possible around 50% of the international team will never be seen in Superleague, this means Superleague will be saturated with more average overseas players taking up most of the salary cap.
We have clubs with 8 to 10 overseas players, for me this is where the RFL fail miserably, we are no closer to accelerating home grown youth than we were 10 years ago.
For me Superleague has very little value in the sporting world in both sponsorship and investment and can,t compete in the market place.
The only way RL can increase in stature is if Football and Union overprice themselves and implode, but I don,t think I will be holding my breathe.'"
It is not a question of not keeping pace with RU and NRL salary caps, it is simply the cap reflects the TV deals the respective sports receive.
If the next round of negotiations get another £0.5/1 million, I am all for lobbing that straight on to the cap. The reality of the situation is; any increase in the cap has to be tangible and sustainable. Emptying the coffers of a benefactor to artificially increase the cap isn't a long term solution, and I say that as a fan of a club of a very wealthy, very generous 'Sugar Daddy'
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"We have clubs with 8 to 10 overseas players, for me this is where the RFL fail miserably, we are no closer to accelerating home grown youth than we were 10 years ago.'"
You need to go back and check your facts bud. IIRC this year's Grand Final featured more homegrown academy products than any other.
Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"The only way RL can increase in stature is if Football and Union overprice themselves and implode, but I don,t think I will be holding my breathe.'"
Basically what you're saying there is that we have no control over our own success. How is that so? Football and RU can do what they want but ultimately we have control over our own destiny as a sport. Growing this sport is not out of our control and is something that we have continued to do despite people believing that we couldn't and can't.
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