Quins RL may be 6 years old, but how old is London Rugby as a whole?

Got to get away from Quinns ground and soon. The whole area is heavily union biased, its just too dam posh aroung there!!

In the SL era London have made it to the CC final and finished second in the league.

Its Round 2, there's a long way to go before the play offs yet.

5995 turned up to the Hudds match. Your crowds have been going down over the years.

A huge pond , with no fish in it , and much as the player production is getting better , that does not equate to more fans for the local pro club

Quins have also done the first thing you mentioned. They don't get crowds in their current location for a variety of reasons, and sponsorships suffer because of that. But in RL terms they have been great, and if the club relocate soon there will be plenty to build on.

Was just about to post the same thing.

I've been watching this team since the last time at the Stoop-I'm telling you the crowd was significantly bigger than 1700- Significantly

So you think a club in the heartlands, surrounded by a strong amateur game is at the same starting point as an expansion club like quins, who have had to create an strong amateur game?

Quins, in terms of spreading the game and getting people playing, have done things Cas can only dream of. They have, in their many guises, created and built a amateur game which now produces international players.

Yes the club need to improve their attendances, 1766 really isnt good enough, but they are playing catch up at first grade level (and this isnt something they will do in the championships) and that is only one part of a very difficult puzzle. The fact is RL in London is excelling in some key and important areas, this isnt usurped by the fact the Quins club are poorly attended.

There were times that Leeds, Cas, bradford, Sts, Wigan, Wakefield, not so long ago were poorly attended. Leeds, when they finally got it right, but 10k in about 10 years on their attendances, Bradford during bullmania put on 7 or 8k.

At the start of SL, London didnt start at the same point as everyone else, they were behind them, they are catching up fast, and when they do, the crowds will grow.

They didn't get crowds in their last location , or the one before that , that's why they moved

Where exactly should they move to ?

And to tell the truth I expect Crusaders attendances to mirror Londons/Quins , they shortly peak and then drop

It's not a 'local' pro club, it's local to about 40,000 people, the vast majority of whom are die-hard Unionites. They are anonymous to most others as they play under the same name as one of the most well-known Union sides in the world. The current Quins set up is absolutely ridiculous, I fully believe if they had their own stadium in an area that they were able to properly market and develop, they could easily achieve good crowds. There's no reason why they shouldn't, people from London are no different from anyone else and there's a heck of a lot of them. Despite what anyone says, 'Quins RL' is not and never will be an attractive proposition for fans. I probably wouldn't go and watch if I lived in London.

How do you feel fans of good rugby league towns with good rugby league history feel when they see these crowds feel ?

Look at widnes, they are a true rugby league town with a good crowd base, their own stadia but can't get a look in for past god knows how many years.

While the Quins being in super league has done wonders for the game a grassroots, just think how it must have hit the grassroots level in towns like widnes.