Even with the announcement of Crusaders players being taken off OS quota, isn't Sammut down as a Malta international so wouldn't count againt the quota anyway? When does Ben Jefferies come off the quota list?

this whole situation is very very complicated now, did we sign sammut too early for him not to count on crusaders dispensation, does he actually count as overseas or non fed trained(which in itself is very complicated)

im confused

According to sky he is not down on overseas quota because of the Malta link. Im confused myself. www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 58,00.html

According to sky he is not down on overseas quota because of the Malta link. Im confused myself. www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 58,00.html

I'm pretty sure the rule is that a club is allowed 5 Non Federation Trained Players of which all can be quota players. Nowadays Non Fed players and qutoa players amount to the same thing. A club is allowed 5 players who are not Fed trained no matter where they come from.

The question for the Bulls is will Sammut count or not due to the timing of the announcement. You would feel pretty aggrieved if the RFL treated him any differently to the rest of the Crusader's players I think.

theres 2 quotas we have to adhere to and players can count on both. sammut is not on the overseas quota but he is on the non fed trained one (unless he gets same exemption as other crusaders players). We're allowed 5 players on each quota.

overseas quota players next year so far

kearney
l'estrange

non fed trained quota players next year so far

kearney
l'estrange
lulia
sammut

jeffries and royston(if retained) are both exempt from both quotas.

Mat - As a first time poster I'm nervous of saying this but anyone who is on the list of quota players will automatically be on the list of Non Fed trained players won't they?(like Kearney & L'Estrange) So to simplify things for us all can't we say that we are allowed 5 Non Fed trained players regardless of whether they are also on the overseas quota as well. Effectively we are allowed 5 players who have not come through a Super League team's academy (barring exemptions such as Jefries & Royston)

At the end of the day you are only allowed 5 players trained outside the UK AND French federation, wether they are Kolpack or Australasian or not.

how do wigan get away with it, richards,carmont,leuluai,hoffman,roberts,finch,lima and now they got ben cross

Not necessarily in theory, but in practice I can't see you being wrong.

Not really thought to much about that.......

Isn't Richards an Irish international?

I think your last sentence answers your own question Peregrine. I'd suggest others might be players from countries where there is no professional rugby, like the south sea islands, like Tonga or Samoa and similar, where the players concerned didn't originally train in Aus/NZ, or possibly European countries other than France, though in terms of SL, due to a French club being in the league, I think they would probably be regarded as fed trained.

Link to RFL website explaining Quotahttps://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/20745rl

Link to Bulls squadlist thread explaining quota status
rlhttps://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f


Connor Murphy tweeted that BJ is off definately off quota for next year due to British passport being acquired.

Sammut was not initally trained in UK or France, so will count as Quota unless RFL decide to include him in Crusaders exemption - Hood is seeking clarification, and I'm sure result either way will be announced soon.

Probably the same way as we do, because they have some overseas trained players now classified as federation trained.

thats not a bad way of looking at it. Theres two excpetions to that rule though.

first there's australian/new zealand born players who come over here young enough to be classed as uk fed trained (think harrison hansen, maybe robbie paul? etc). These are pretty rare.

secondly theres all the australian/new zealand born players who were playing in SL when the non-fed trained rules were brought in (feb 2008 from memory). These players were all granted exemptions to the non fed status and are classed as fed trained as long as they stay in superleague. This covers players like glenn morrison, ali lauititi etc. This category of player is pretty common at the moment but should reduce as players retire. Once their all gone then your way of explaining the quota will pretty much be accurate.

The source of all the confusion is that when the RFL changed the quota rules to include the non-fed trained status they said that clubs were allowed 5 Overseas quota players and 5 non-fed trained quota players. What they didnt make clear was that players could count on both quotas simultaneously. Hence people tend to think that clubs are allowed 5 Overseas AND 5 non fed players.

The confusion should settle down in 2 or 3 years as most of the players granted exemptions should have retired by then. The extra exemptions granted to crusaders players should extend this much as they only count for their first contract signed after leaving crusaders. So unless someone givesa crusaders quota player a very long contract they should be out of system around same time.

Typical confusing mess we've come to expect from RFL really.