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| My apologies for returning to an old subject, but it had been irritating me since the end of last season. Following the final two poorly attended home games, a few fans were enquiring as to the clubs previous lowest attendance, as I believe the Catalans and Wakefield games drew just over 6,000. Unfortunately, there is precious little on the net with regard to Rugby League attendance records, and those who keep them on behalf of Bradford do not seem to frequent these forums, or answer related questions if they do.
However, I have recently been researching aspects of Bradford sport from the mid nineteenth century, and in doing so, unearthed a number of amazing little gems- and some attendance records. Unless I am mistaken, the Bulls previous lowest league attendance prior to the Catalans- Wakefield games was on the 22nd of January 1996, when they beat Workington 14-4 in front of 3036. This of course was the final- curtailed season prior to summer rugby.
The team that day- Cook, Cordle, Bradley, Loughlin, Christie, Summers, Paul, Ireland, Dwyer, McDermott, Donougher, Nickle, Knox. Subs Hassan, Donohue, Fairbank, Medley. The scorers were- Cook, a try and three goals, and a try from Donohue. Also of interest, on December 1st 1996, Northern beat Oldham 14-10 in front of 2787.
I find it difficult to believe it is only fourteen years since such small crowds were attending games at Odsal, and that- from someone whose first rugby league match (as an eight year old) was Bradford Northern’s (1907) last game on December 10th 1963. I was the ‘1’ in a crowd of 841, as Leigh won a second division game 33-5. Northern had led 5-3. Being one child in such a vast railway sleeper-cinder covered oval- with a few hundred other spectators was an awesome feeling, one I still remember to this day. Northern were put to sleep some days later and their season records expunged. Somehow, a solitary win that season had come when they thumped Salford at home. God knows how bad Salford must have been.
Less than ten years earlier, around 120,000 spectators had stood in the same ground. In the early seventies, I worked with several middle-aged chaps in Halifax. Most of them were at the replayed Challenge Cup game, and confirmed how many thousands scaled the fences- including them.
While I didn’t have an opportunity to watch those Northern greats of the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s, I’ve heard of, or read about most of them. During my research however, I was surprised to learn that ‘Matt’ was not the first ‘Orford’ to represent Bradford Northern/Bulls. Welsh international second rower- Sandy Orford joined Northern in 1935, and again in 1947. He’s one player who had slipped my attention.
Another quirky tale involves low scoring. On many Saturdays during the 60’s I had to decide between Park Avenue and Odsal, if Avenue and Northern were at home on the same day. The team on a successful run at the time would often get the nod, and unbelievably, in December 1964, Avenue were top of the league and beating everyone in sight. They also had a budding goal-scoring superstar called Kevin Hector. Looking back at the records, on the 5th of December 64, our little group went to watch Avenue beat Halifax 5-1, stopping off on the way back for a Yorkshire Sports Pink, and a tense wait for the paper which confirmed Northern’s 2-0 win over Dewsbury. Even then, I remember my surprise at such a low score line. I had however forgotten about the week before, when Northern had beaten Wakefield 3-0, while we were again watching Avenue hammer Hartlepool 4-0. Just over three years later, I remember going down Odsal to watch a Challenge Cup Semi-Final between Huddersfield and Wakefield. A crowd of just over 20,000 watched a 0-0 draw.
In the days of three point tries, five yard play-the-balls, winter pitches and part-time professionalism, scores were certainly lower than those of the summer era, and scoring just over 30 points would often suggest a thrashing of the opposing team. However, such low scores as those mentioned above were still very unusual. I suppose another 0-0 score has taken place since 1968, but I doubt we will see another.
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| Quote: Teddy Melling "My apologies for returning to an old subject, but it had been irritating me since the end of last season. Following the final two poorly attended home games, a few fans were enquiring as to the clubs previous lowest attendance, as I believe the Catalans and Wakefield games drew just over 6,000. Unfortunately, there is precious little on the net with regard to Rugby League attendance records, and those who keep them on behalf of Bradford do not seem to frequent these forums, or answer related questions if they do. '"
That would be the 1st December 1995 and the friday night game agaisnt Oldham with just 2,787 there.
Ony 5,546 attended the home game against Leeds that season and amazing to think that only 3,389 we're at Odsal when St Helens we're the visitors.
I think the above just goes to show that the gates of 6,382 vs Salford & 6,217 vs Catalans during the 2010 season still show some considerable improvement on those 1995/1996 season gates before the switch to Super League and summer Rugby League.
Bradford Northern averages 1945/1965
1945-1946 = 7475
1946-1947 = 10,428
1947-1948 = 14,751
1948-1949 = 14,560
1949-1950 = 14,765
1950-1951 = 16,725
1951-1952 = 17,820
1952-1953 = 16,862
1953-1954 = 13,124
1954-1955 = 9006
1955-1956 = 6911
1956-1957 = 5986
1957-1958 = 5126
1958-1959 = 3935
1959-1960 = 2962
1960-1961 = 1857
1961-1962 = 1495
1962-1963 = 1257
1963-1964 = 1020 *average attendance after 11 games
1964-1965 = 7332
Interesting to see such a sharp decline in the average attendance from 1954 onwards to the eventual demise of the club during the 63/64 season.
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| I remember going to see a midweek game back in about 1985 or 1986 when there were only something like 1850 there
It was a 'dead rubber' game near the end of the season, and I can remember it was the game that Paul Harkin came back into the Northern team after a spell away at Hull KR. Not that his return made much difference to the crowd!
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| Sat 23 Nov 1963 Odsal Stadium Bradford 0 - 29 Barrow
Attendance: 324
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| Quote: paulwalker71 "I remember going to see a midweek game back in about 1985 or 1986 when there were only something like 1850 there
It was a 'dead rubber' game near the end of the season, and I can remember it was the game that Paul Harkin came back into the Northern team after a spell away at Hull KR. Not that his return made much difference to the crowd!'"
18/3/86 | Bradford 24-6 Hull KR | Att: 1,674 ?????
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| Quote: Mick Gledhill "18/3/86 | Bradford 24-6 Hull KR | Att
You must have a wrong bit of information there as the Hull KR board are stating they had 25,000 of their own supporters at the game
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| Quote: Mick Gledhill "18/3/86 | Bradford 24-6 Hull KR | Att
Yes, that's the one.
I vaguely remembered it being Hull KR, but thought I might have been confusing it because of Paul Harkin. But, I think it was one of those weird things where a guy ends up playing against the team he just left in his first match.
You can imagine how spartan it felt on a cold Wednesday night in March with 1,674 scattered around Odsal
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| On Feb 9th 1918 Northern played an away fixture versus Brighouse Rangers - a match that should never have been played. The Brighouse pitch was covered in 8" of snow with howling blizzards going on at the same time. Brighouse didn't want to play but Northern's directors insisted and the game went ahead in front of 9 (NINE) spectators.
The match was abandoned after 35 minutes but the result stood. Northern won 13-11.
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| Quote: Mick Gledhill "That would be the 1st December 1995 and the friday night game agaisnt Oldham with just 2,787 there.
Ony 5,546 attended the home game against Leeds that season and amazing to think that only 3,389 we're at Odsal when St Helens we're the visitors.
I think the above just goes to show that the gates of 6,382 vs Salford & 6,217 vs Catalans during the 2010 season still show some considerable improvement on those 1995/1996 season gates before the switch to Super League and summer Rugby League.
Bradford Northern averages 1945/1965
1945-1946
I guess it was a combination of things. Certainly the Bradford side's performances had dropped off; a very good, but ageing side, with too many coming up to retirement at the same time and players not being replaced with newcomers of a similar standard.
When you add in the fact that the economy was improving after wartime shortages and people had more choices about where to spend their leisure time (TV was becoming popular, and more affordable for the working classes,for instance) it's perhaps not that surprising that 'traditional' pastimes fell out of favour to some extent.
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| Quote: Teddy Melling "
The team that day- Cook, Cordle, Bradley, Loughlin, Christie, Summers, Paul, Ireland, Dwyer, McDermott, Donougher, Nickle, Knox. Subs Hassan, Donohue, Fairbank, Medley. The scorers were- Cook, a try and three goals, and a try from Donohue. Also of interest, on December 1st 1996, Northern beat Oldham 14-10 in front of 2787.
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great work in the piece but I'd be extremely surprised if Gerald Cordle was playing [rosetint]much as we could have done with him [rosetint] that season
Also if ever there was a player that would have benefitted from full time superleague training it would have been Neil Summers
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| Quote: ex Bull Dog "great work in the piece but I'd be extremely surprised if Gerald Cordle was playing [rosetint]much as we could have done with him [rosetint] that season
Also if ever there was a player that would have benefitted from full time superleague training it would have been Neil Summers'"
Prepare to be extremely surprised. I copied that team line-up from the T&A’s match report the following day.
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| Quote: paulwalker71 "
I vaguely remembered it being Hull KR, but thought I might have been confusing it because of Paul Harkin.
like when he made his debut for Leeds against us at headingley -oh that was funny
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