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| With us needing a 10,000 crowd every home game, just to break even.
Which isn't going to happen, then the reported 23k we are losing for every home (except Leeds & St Helens to date) isn't doing any good and I fear for what the future holds.
Yesterday on the popular side, people were saying a move to Valley Parade for next year is in the pipeline which in my opinion would kill the club dead.
I think everyone knows we don't have a sugar daddy like Wigan, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull KR etc who will underwrite the losses year on year.
Sport must be the only business where they expect their customers to keep buying the product off them even if the quality of the product is poor.
Any other business would go to the wall if they allowed themselves to be run the way the Bulls were in the last four years.
Yes, most supporters do go through thick and thin but others don’t as they have other things in their life.
I can’t imagine not looking forward to the Bulls games as it gets me through the tedium of work. We can’t slag others off though for not paying large sums for poor entertainment. It is up to all clubs to make the “whole package” worth paying for and not simply relying on supporters blindly turning up each week.
When considering the product on the field at Odsal (I include yesterdays horror show as a prime example) which is very much hit & miss this season, then add £18 to watch it in a stadium with no roof over 70% of it's total capacity.
We did well to get over 8,000 in yesterday I think, but it's still 1800 short of the 10,000 break even figure.
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| You just need a cup run or grand final appearance and crowds will come back. They cant have gone glory hunting to Valley Parade, surely?
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| Quote: Sam Buca "You just need a cup run or grand final appearance and crowds will come back. They cant have gone glory hunting to Valley Parade, surely?'"
I don't know what it is mate, but the Bradford City cheap season pass can't be helping us at all.
Plus it's true in what you say, if we made it to Old Trafford then the glory hunters would be out in force but come next season we would be back to our 9,000 average again.
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| Quote: Mick Gledhill "I don't know what it is mate, but the Bradford City cheap season pass can't be helping us at all.
Plus it's true in what you say, if we made it to Old Trafford then the glory hunters would be out in force but come next season we would be back to our 9,000 average again.'"
They wont be helping. I think you need a stringent financial budget and it be stuck to.
If you're making a matchday loss, you should be looking at:
Ground rent for catering vehicles - is it enough compared to their profit?
Number of stewards/police - is it relevant to the attendance on the day?
Prematch/HT - spending too much on it?
Stick some offers on at the begining of the season to increase sales of tickets, season tickets etc. Flyer drop in BCC offering 5% off the cost of a ST. Things like this need to be done if they aren't already.
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| Quote: Sam Buca "They wont be helping. I think you need a stringent financial budget and it be stuck to.
If you're making a matchday loss, you should be looking atGround rent for catering vehicles - is it enough compared to their profit?
Number of stewards/police - is it relevant to the attendance on the day?
Prematch/HT - spending too much on it?
Stick some offers on at the begining of the season to increase sales of tickets, season tickets etc. Flyer drop in BCC offering 5% off the cost of a ST. Things like this need to be done if they aren't already.'"
See the Rip Off Odsal thread mate for what I've put in bold.
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| We just can't lose £23,000 every game.
This season we are £220,000 under the cap, what will it be next season if the crowds continue to stay away?
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| Quote: Sam Buca "They wont be helping. I think you need a stringent financial budget and it be stuck to.
If you're making a matchday loss, you should be looking at
Don't wish to come across as patronising, but I can assure you that the Bulls are probably as clued up financially and as on top of their finances and budget as any club in the game. They have had to be. And I am speaking with a degree of first hand knowledge there, not just the usual forum talk.
I rather think there is little left to cut - there are minimum stewarding etc requirements, the only police you normally see (except when HKR are in town) are those stopping the Rooley Avenue traffic after the game, the pre-match and HT is far far less than it used to be, there are no bouncy castles or karaoke or face painting and the like, at all, and I believe the catering is let out to a third party for a fee, and see separate thread for discussion on that. I was once told a figure by the club that was the incremental contribution (in financial terms) for every body through the gate. Every additional body helps.
The underlying problem is too few bodies through the gate. We have loads of supposed Bulls fans, armchair supporters who are happy to complain about performances and perceived lack of spending, but seem unable to make the connection with their lack of attendance. It certainly does not help that we seem to be blighted by turning in bad home performances at just the time there are signs of gate recovery. Every bloody time. It also does not help that this city is more or less stuffed, and the whole place seems to me to be dying from the centre out. Or that Odsal is at the very bottom tip of the Bradford Met district, and that therefore many from the northern swathes would see Valley Parade and soccer as their more natural following. And of course there seems very little appetite for RL across much of the great band across the centre of the city.
Mick is I believe repeating some numbers that allegedly a semi-inebriated director told him. They may or may not be accurate (although I can form my own conclusions independently of that, but that's not for on here) but its the bigger picture that really matters. Matchday net income and expenditure is only part of it. The ongoing legacy of the past, including of the Caisley era, the lack of a modern-type stadium, and most significantly of all the lack of a wealthy backer to allow the board to invest more in the future, are pretty fundamental. When we are up against clubs who do not have these disadvantages.
Yet, even so, the club has just found a way to invest in what appears (from comments of players from other clubs, including your own JP) to be pretty well the best training and development facility in the game. And far far better located than the previous facilities. I've seen it - and its very impressive. This is vital to the future, and I can only applaud the club for finding a way to make it happen.
I just wish the club could find a way to make more bodies on the terraces happen. But that will mean overcoming the massive inertia and pall of apathy that so pervades so much of this city.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Don't wish to come across as patronising, but I can assure you that the Bulls are probably as clued up financially and as on top of their finances and budget as any club in the game. They have had to be. And I am speaking with a degree of first hand knowledge there, not just the usual forum talk.
I rather think there is little left to cut - there are minimum stewarding etc requirements, the only police you normally see (except when HKR are in town) are those stopping the Rooley Avenue traffic after the game, the pre-match and HT is far far less than it used to be, there are no bouncy castles or karaoke or face painting and the like, at all, and I believe the catering is let out to a third party for a fee, and see separate thread for discussion on that. I was once told a figure by the club that was the incremental contribution (in financial terms) for every body through the gate. Every additional body helps.
The underlying problem is too few bodies through the gate. We have loads of supposed Bulls fans, armchair supporters who are happy to complain about performances and perceived lack of spending, but seem unable to make the connection with their lack of attendance. It certainly does not help that we seem to be blighted by turning in bad home performances at just the time there are signs of gate recovery. Every bloody time. It also does not help that this city is more or less stuffed, and the whole place seems to me to be dying from the centre out. Or that Odsal is at the very bottom tip of the Bradford Met district, and that therefore many from the northern swathes would see Valley Parade and soccer as their more natural following. And of course there seems very little appetite for RL across much of the great band across the centre of the city.
Mick is I believe repeating some numbers that allegedly a semi-inebriated director told him. They may or may not be accurate (although I can form my own conclusions independently of that, but that's not for on here) but its the bigger picture that really matters. Matchday net income and expenditure is only part of it. The ongoing legacy of the past, including of the Caisley era, the lack of a modern-type stadium, and most significantly of all the lack of a wealthy backer to allow the board to invest more in the future, are pretty fundamental. When we are up against clubs who do not have these disadvantages.
Yet, even so, the club has just found a way to invest in what appears (from comments of players from other clubs, including your own JP) to be pretty well the best training and development facility in the game. And far far better located than the previous facilities. I've seen it - and its very impressive. This is vital to the future, and I can only applaud the club for finding a way to make it happen.
I just wish the club could find a way to make more bodies on the terraces happen. But that will mean overcoming the massive inertia and pall of apathy that so pervades so much of this city.'"
That's a good read mate, well put.
I can't think of anything that will get the lost fans back.
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| Quote: Mick Gledhill "I can't think of anything that will get the lost fans back.'"
Money.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Money.'"
When considering the product on the field at Odsal (I include yesterdays horror show as a prime example) which is very much hit & miss this season, then add £18 to watch it in a stadium with no roof over 70% of it's total capacity.
Yes agree
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| Can we not fund a roof over the popular side ourselves?
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| There needs to be a way that you can offer cheaper tickets to pull a few extra in whilst reducing the deficit on match days.
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| Quote: Mick Gledhill "Can we not fund a roof over the popular side ourselves?'"
I think you should invest in a "Laws of the game" manual first Mick!
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| Quote: Sam Buca "I think you should invest in a "Laws of the game" manual first Mick!'"
I know the laws of the game.
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| Quote: Mick Gledhill "Yesterday on the popular side, people were saying a move to Valley Parade for next year is in the pipeline which in my opinion would kill the club dead.'"
Quote: Mick Gledhill "£18 to watch it in a stadium with no roof over 70% of it's total capacity.'"
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