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| Quote ="ridlerbull"That's a bit edgy given this morning's events!'"
Had to check, sounds bad but i dont read papers or listen to news so tend to be oblivious to goings on! realise thats quite bad now
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"The RFL unlike you continues to recognize the immense value to the game and all the other clubs you mention of a Bradford Bulls remaining in operation. A new club is not what they need or want. You appear to not get this basic point.
Your ignorant prattle about honouring debts is astonishing. The club has paid the ultimate price by being liquidated. That company has GONE. If anyone starts a new company and reforms the club, then plainly it won't be at the expense of any creditors of the liquidated company. You're desperately trying to make connections that don't exist.'"
Immense value? This arrogance is what has got you into this position. Championship was fine before Bradford Bulls and will be fine after it. Just has Super League has gone on without you. The money we loose from an extra 2k attendance once a season will be more than replaced by sharing out your £300k central funding.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"It devalues the Championship!'"
I tend to agree with that but it also devalues the Championship having no team for Hull KR to play at the summer bash. Teams getting byes every week in the league and season tickets at all clubs now being worth less than what they were bought at (plus club's losing income).
So either way it's not really very good is it? RFL are in between a rock and a hard place brought about the people that have run Bradford Bulls over the last 10-15 years.
Personally I'd prefer to sit the season out and see a new club formed properly and not at the last minute. Apply for entry into League 1 and build properly from there. Even if it means years as a semi pro team with no academy etc. At least it would be right.
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| Quote ="MashPotatoes"It's never been a level playing field. This now confirms it never will be.'"
Highest motorway in the country. Bound to have a few bumps in it.
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| Aaron Bower @AaronBower 3m3 minutes ago
Details emerging all the time - as a result of staying in Champ, new Bradford will get lowest central funding (ie. 12th place) for 2017
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"
The money we loose from an extra 2k attendance once a season will be more than replaced by sharing out your £300k central funding.'"
You've perhaps not noticed but the whole competition structure is predicated on 12 teams per league.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"The money we loose from an extra 2k attendance once a season will be more than replaced by sharing out your £300k central funding.'"
That won't happen. Without a club there isn't any central funding to share out.
You'll just have to lose a player or two.
Cut your cloth so to speak.
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| Further details of why Championship place has been offered, and under what sanctions [url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/revealed-bradford-remain-championship-despite-9556579here[/url
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| Quote ="daveyz999"I so hope we get a team this year, and then we hammer Halifax at the Shay.
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That would be lovely..ha
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"I tend to agree with that but it also devalues the Championship having no team for Hull KR to play at the summer bash. Teams getting byes every week in the league and season tickets at all clubs now being worth less than what they were bought at (plus club's losing income).
So either way it's not really very good is it? RFL are in between a rock and a hard place brought about the people that have run Bradford Bulls over the last 10-15 years.
Personally I'd prefer to sit the season out and see a new club formed properly and not at the last minute. Apply for entry into League 1 and build properly from there. Even if it means years as a semi pro team with no academy etc. At least it would be right.'"
Agree with all that
No lover of the RFL, but they were 'damned if they did, damned if they didn't' this time...
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| Quote ="Highlander"This is the problem. We did have enough to meet our obligations before Green took over.
I've spoken to Calvert, they had steadied the ship, no debt, income/outgoings were balanced.
Then Green appeared as a complicating factor, and he was invited into the club by Whitcut.
Then 2years later, we're bust. And the owner is now being investigated for obtaining money by deception & false accounting.
If any criminality is proven, how is any of this the fault of the players, staff, fans or indeed, the RFL?'"
Its not at all their fault. But neither is it a reason to give a new Bradford the gift of free entry into the Championship. Tolouse, Toronto and many others had to start at the bottom and work their way up. Why does your successive screw ups make you eligible for special treatment?
A new club has to earn its place in the second tier.
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| Very difficult circumstances now regarding re-staffing.Unless someone bankrolls to enable continuity of existing playing staff full time as prior. Then, indeed, we face losing most, if the decision is to go part time.Has to be development of Odsal and get the lease back otherwise we would be back where we started.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)" The money we loose from an extra 2k attendance once a season will be more than replaced by sharing out your £300k central funding.'"
That's gone, already been used to pay players wages.
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| Quote ="el red"Sorry it came to this but as I said a while ago it was coming. Some things the fans need to know: The debilitating finance for next season regards the contracts the club entered into with players who the RFL had warned them couldn't be registered, yet they still signed them. The people responsible for these signing are the Head Coach and general manager who was in charge of monitoring the salary cap.
You don't sign players like Lachlan Burr if he can't be registered so the only reason you would do it is as a last ditch effort to boost season ticket sales. Marc Green has obtained all the season ticket money by deception.'"
Agree El Red. Rohan was in cahoots with Green and Duffy at the time with all three knowing the money had run out, yet still signing players in the hope of gambling that they would sell enough season tickets to see out the off season.
Marc Green was down on the creditors list for £960,000 when I have it on good authority he never put anything close to that in.
I have my suspicions who the RFL are going to favour in this new bidding process and you be rest assured that now there's a clean slate to build on, some of the people currently working at the club who have contributed to the decline of the bulls will be out the door.
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| Quote ="vbfg"You've perhaps not noticed but the whole competition structure is predicated on 12 teams per league.'"
Rules can be changed at a moments notice it would seem, we have no TV coverage obligating us to have 12 teams unlike SL. So more money for all of us.
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| Why not drop the Bulls to Champ1 with no points deduction and put the Toronto team into the Championship, just need the fixtures regigging
So sorry that Bulls are no more, really enjoyed Leigh playing them these last few years and remember their last game against us in the 60's before they folded and reformed to go on and achieve greatness. The lesson to learn is the grass is not always greenerm
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"Immense value? This arrogance is what has got you into this position. Championship was fine before Bradford Bulls and will be fine after it. Just has Super League has gone on without you. The money we loose from an extra 2k attendance once a season will be more than replaced by sharing out your £300k central funding.'"
get back in the kitchen love.
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| Quote ="jpleigh"Why not drop the Bulls to Champ1 with no points deduction and put the Toronto team into the Championship, just need the fixtures regigging'"
Aye, that would be a piece of p*ss for Toronto to rejig their plans. It's not like they're travelling far and will have planned for that travel eh? And it's not like they'll have been in touch with all the Championship 1 clubs about their travel to Toronto either. Will be dead easy for them to change all that and arrange it with the Championship teams instead.
Bradford staying in the Championship won't sit well with hardly anyone, including most of our fans. But you can understand from a logistical point of view why it's been done. Had the liquidation happened in October or November, I highly doubt it would be the case.
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| Quote ="jpleigh"Why not drop the Bulls to Champ1 with no points deduction and put the Toronto team into the Championship, just need the fixtures regigging
So sorry that Bulls are no more, really enjoyed Leigh playing them these last few years and remember their last game against us in the 60's before they folded and reformed to go on and achieve greatness. The lesson to learn is the grass is not always greenerm'"
You're asking in the wrong place. The general consensus on here is that a drop to Ch1 is what is best for the club. The RFL have different ideas
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"Rules can be changed at a moments notice it would seem, we have no TV coverage obligating us to have 12 teams unlike SL. So more money for all of us.'"
I'm not sure who you are arguing with. I don't see anyone on here delighted with today's result or the RFLs decision.
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| A business goes out of business and the RFL are still talking about 12 points and in the championship. They must think they have a plan now they are the ones in charge and Green and admin has gone.
Me, I prefer the Idea of starting again in Ch.1 at a different ground. Complete fresh start. We can build that feeling of it still being Bradford by asking older players and Trevor Fosters lad to get involved as figure heads for a while to give us that feel of the past.
How many get promoted from Ch.1? Toronto are nailed on for one place but if two come up and we could start with a half decent team then Who knows?
Even if Rohan left then I would look at Karl Harrison as a coach / manager role to rebuild with.
A very sad day but something inside me says it is still not ended. There could still be a twist to come but it needs to be in the next few days as a Ch/1 club will need to be promoted quickly.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I don't feel comfortable with reforming in the championship on -12. It will rightly vex all the other clubs off. But we've no got a competitive squad to try and avoid relegation. It won't be made up of the current players. It will be a last minute put together hash job with regular beatings and fans will continue to walk away.
I would rather we drop down to L1 and reform and build up and start a brand new journey together.
Think we may have to prepare ourselves for an almighty backlash...'"
This Fev fan is quite happy to see you stay where you are. Can't see how dumping you in C1 will benefit anyone in the sport.
12 point penalty is harsh, but needs to be seen to be done. Hopefully you can keep the bulk of your players and finish mid table this year with a view to building in 2018.
All the best.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"What a load of nonsense. Why do the RFL insist on making up rules as they go along. If a new club forms it should be made to start in Championship 1 and earn its right to play in Championship. It devalues the Championship!
What happens if you sign all the same players and relagate some other team that has honoured its debts at the cost of putting out a competitive team?'"
Typical ramblings of a bitter and twisted fax fan let just thank got they are all not like that. WE all know RFL are a rule to themselves but that is the offer on the table after a meeting of their council Just like the admin the fans cant change it LIVE WITH IT
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"I tend to agree with that but it also devalues the Championship having no team for Hull KR to play at the summer bash. Teams getting byes every week in the league and season tickets at all clubs now being worth less than what they were bought at (plus club's losing income).
So either way it's not really very good is it? RFL are in between a rock and a hard place brought about the people that have run Bradford Bulls over the last 10-15 years.
Personally I'd prefer to sit the season out and see a new club formed properly and not at the last minute. Apply for entry into League 1 and build properly from there. Even if it means years as a semi pro team with no academy etc. At least it would be right.'"
Your correct about the summer bash, maybe a team should be promoted and given the extra funding available. There are a few players available now. What makes a zero day old Bradford club with no history or track record more worthy than Donny, Barrow or Keighley?
I understand its an emotive subject, but the fact is the new club has no history or standing in the game. Purely a geographical location. Putting the new club into the Championship is a cop out from the RFL who don't want to have to work out the technicalities.
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| Quote ="debaser"I'm not sure who you are arguing with. I don't see anyone on here delighted with today's result or the RFLs decision.'"
The person I quoted mate. There are clearly some logical thinkers on here who see the drop to Champ 1 as the right thing, but some who think a new club has some right to be in Championship because they happen to be based in the same town as a famous RL club once was.
Sad day for the sport no matter which way you look at it, but as usual the RFL find a way to make an even bigger balls up of it.
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