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Quote: slideby "i thought he should have had gone to the screen when walker lost the ball over the line. Looked like a steal to me and to not look at it is a joke. Also, was a penalty but not not sure a penalty try. BBJ had to reach the ball 1st and ground it at pace. The bounce could allow the cover to get reach him if it doesnt bounce perfectly in stride and there were too many variables for me to give the try.'"


BJB could have put the kettle on & made a brew & still beaten Ah Van (IIRC) to the ball over the line. I think the ball even stopped short of the dead ball line. You could claim he might have been shot by a sniper or suffered a heart attack before getting to the ball, but I am almost certain he would.

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Quote: tigertot "BJB could have put the kettle on & made a brew & still beaten Ah Van (IIRC) to the ball over the line. I think the ball even stopped short of the dead ball line. You could claim he might have been shot by a sniper or suffered a heart attack before getting to the ball, but I am almost certain he would.'"


Totally agree (now - Sunday might have had a different repsonse)

I don't think there was much choice in awarding a PT to be honest. If they hadn't it would have opened the door for professional fouls every time someone put a kick through. Clocking off 20 minutes early cost us the game, not VR decisions

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With regards to the VR not calling it...

I watched it again last night, he never rewinds it that far. He starts reviewing the clip from Burrow passing it to Buderus (who's already onside at that point), before going on to review the grounding. So, given that he wasn't asked to go back that far, you can't blame RS for not wiping the try off as he didn't see the offence during his reviewing of the grounding.

All your blame should be directed at Ganson.

HTH.

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Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "Buderus (who's already onside at that point),'"


No. He isn't. Read the rules that have been posted.

HTH.

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Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "With regards to the VR not calling it...

I watched it again last night, he never rewinds it that far. He starts reviewing the clip from Burrow passing it to Buderus (who's already onside at that point), before going on to review the grounding. So, given that he wasn't asked to go back that far, you can't blame RS for not wiping the try off as he didn't see the offence during his reviewing of the grounding.

All your blame should be directed at Ganson.

HTH.'"


Hate to raise this, but - after the scandal that was Millenium Tragic (episode 1) how do we know Silverdud did not chirp in Ganson's ear that Buderus was onside and therefore no need to check the screen?

After all, Klein chirped in his ear that a penalty should be awarded when it cleasrly should not have, and then failed to chirp (we believe) when Tansey ran 30 metres in two nanoseconds, so there are precedents... eusa_whistle.gif

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Quote: DILLIGAF "No. He isn't. Read the rules that have been posted.

HTH.'"


I'll rephrase my post...

He starts reviewing the clip from Burrow passing it to Buderus (who would appear to be onside if you were to start viewing the clip at that point), before going on to review the grounding.

All your blame should be directed at Ganson.

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Quote: Adeybull "Hate to raise this, but - after the scandal that was Millenium Tragic (episode 1) how do we know Silverdud did not chirp in Ganson's ear that Buderus was onside and therefore no need to check the screen?'"


True. He might also have been calling him a granny beating alco, but I doubt it.

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Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "It was a "real time mistake" though wasn't it. The VR is not allowed to look for something that he wasn't asked to look for. He can't just decide to have a gander at everything that's going on.

You clearly hear the ref say stuff like... "Just check the grounding for me Steve mate!", or "Just looking to see if Graham was onside please!". The VR can't take it upon himself to say, "The grounding was fine but whilst I was looking at the grounding I noticed this...". The VR can only look at what he has been asked to look at.

Ganson made a "real time mistake" and didn't spot Buderus, so didn't ask Silverwood to check. The fact that the VR might have spotted it is irrelevant. He wasn't asked to check it because of Ganson's "real time mistake". There was no error by the VR.'"

Except wasn't that [iexactly[/i the scenario which preceded Tansy's, shall we say, somewhat dubious, try at the previous MM in Cardiff?

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Quote: tigertot "BJB could have put the kettle on & made a brew & still beaten Ah Van (IIRC) to the ball over the line. I think the ball even stopped short of the dead ball line. You could claim he might have been shot by a sniper or suffered a heart attack before getting to the ball, but I am almost certain he would.'"

If you check again TT I think you'll find it's Ah Van who grounded the ball and even if Bishop had got their first it would have needed neither a gunshot nor heart attack to prevent a touchdown, merely not grounding a bouncing ball under pressure. Of course that's never happened before so it must be certain that he would have scored, I guess, let's have a penalty try eh? d040.gif

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Quote: Bulliac "If you check again TT I think you'll find it's Ah Van who grounded the ball and even if Bishop had got their first it would have needed neither a gunshot nor heart attack to prevent a touchdown, merely not grounding a bouncing ball under pressure. Of course that's never happened before so it must be certain that he would have scored, I guess, let's have a penalty try eh?
that's going a bit far IMO, you could say that of any penalty try ever given. who's to say that any potential try scorer isn't going to knock on should no offence have taken place?

Another point, why didn't Ah Van kill the ball by putting his foot out of play before picking the ball up? If it wasn't a penalty try we would have had a tap on the 20 and not a goal line drop out. Irrelavant (SP) I know but just a thought.

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Quote: Bulliac "If you check again TT I think you'll find it's Ah Van who grounded the ball and even if Bishop had got their first it would have needed neither a gunshot nor heart attack to prevent a touchdown, merely not grounding a bouncing ball under pressure. Of course that's never happened before so it must be certain that he would have scored, I guess, let's have a penalty try eh?
What planet are you on?

BJB NEARLY (granted not quite, but NEARLY) beat Ah Van to the ball anyway! Even AFTER he'd been pulled down, he still got up and was only a few yards short of beating Ah Van to it. Had he not been pulled down he would've comfortably have beaten him to it.

TT point was perfectly valid. It's perfectly reasonable for the VR to assume that a professional player would have no problem grounding a ball. If you had to take into account that "the ball might not have been grounded had play continued" you never give any PT ever.

It's a good job the roof was closed or you'd be claiming that an Eagle MIGHT HAVE come down and taken the ball before BJB got to it. Thus resulting in a PT not been given.

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Quote: Bulliac "If you check again TT I think you'll find it's Ah Van who grounded the ball and even if Bishop had got their first it would have needed neither a gunshot nor heart attack to prevent a touchdown, merely not grounding a bouncing ball under pressure. Of course that's never happened before so it must be certain that he would have scored, I guess, let's have a penalty try eh?
I think my new great mates RR & pg have answered that one sufficiently.

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Another point, why didn't Ah Van kill the ball by putting his foot out of play before picking the ball up? If it wasn't a penalty try we would have had a tap on the 20 and not a goal line drop out. Irrelavant (SP) I know but just a thought.'"


I thought they scrapped that rule years ago.

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Quote: DILLIGAF "I thought they scrapped that rule years ago.'"


They have scrapped that rule.

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I just wondered why we looked incessantly at the Chev Walker incident and the Elliot Whitehead knock on in the build up to another disallowed try, yet the Leuluai try was looked at just a couple of times and was rubber stamped almost instantly, could there be a case for a time limit on the video review? My biggest gripe is the total inconsistency with the decision making by the video ref. Sometimes he keeps looking for a reason to disallow until he thinks he's found one, and other times he seems to just glance at the tape so his coffee doesn't go cold. k020.gif

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