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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Rod is confused. He is obsessed with being run by supporters yet a bunch of well meaning amateurs running by committee in their spare time is surely delusional.
And then he is telling us all how the model is also the Rhinos, who he says were £5m in debt but now turn a big profit. AFAIK Leeds aren't run by a supporters trust. So which is it?'"
I'm sure if Mr P Caddick was a Bradford fan...
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"I'm sure if Mr P Caddick was a Bradford fan...'"
I'm sure he is, given our half-million plus donation to the Rhinos' cause
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| Quote ="Bullnorthern"Mr Studd is not confused- he just likes stirring . He 's one of the few people who is able to convey a sense of sarcastic smirking merely using his voice. His default mode seems to be cynical enjoyment of the problems other people or organisations face.'"
Studd is becoming more and more a professional contrarian, especially on Twitter and can be patronising in the extreme if you dare to question him. He has a column in Forty/20 mag where he discussed the Bulls last month and some of the same themes came up. To be fair some of the article is hard to disagree with, although it was mainly listing our failures. However the only real argument he had was “it couldn’t have been worse under fan ownership” – not sure what sort of argument that is really. Sure we raised a lot of money quickly, but not all of this was from just Bradford fans and he never questions if the apatite was there for the fans to own the club. IMO it wasn’t in 2012 (Hmm try and save the existing club in SL or try and go it alone as fans in League 1 as he suggested. Tough one that Rod) and it isn’t now either. The question isn’t it couldn’t have been much worse, but I can’t imagine it being any better either.
Studd would do well in modern politics, he comes up with crazy ideas with the flimsiest of evidence and then it’s up to everyone else to disprove him. He got a bee in his bonnet about the Bulls losing against Leigh at the Blackpool weekend and said he hoped it wouldn’t come back to bite us if we didn’t make the top four – as it made the fixture list unbalanced. He made a gleeful post when we lost to Fev that he was right all along, until I pointed out that Fev also lost at the bash so it made no difference to the Bulls at all. He quickly deleted his post and never mentioned it again.
I unfollowed him recently and my life suddenly has a lot less anger in it.
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| Quote ="amberavenger"Studd is becoming more and more a professional contrarian, especially on Twitter and can be patronising in the extreme if you dare to question him. He has a column in Forty/20 mag where he discussed the Bulls last month and some of the same themes came up. To be fair some of the article is hard to disagree with, although it was mainly listing our failures. However the only real argument he had was “it couldn’t have been worse under fan ownership” – not sure what sort of argument that is really. Sure we raised a lot of money quickly, but not all of this was from just Bradford fans and he never questions if the apatite was there for the fans to own the club. IMO it wasn’t in 2012 (Hmm try and save the existing club in SL or try and go it alone as fans in League 1 as he suggested. Tough one that Rod) and it isn’t now either. The question isn’t it couldn’t have been much worse, but I can’t imagine it being any better either.
Studd would do well in modern politics, he comes up with crazy ideas with the flimsiest of evidence and then it’s up to everyone else to disprove him. He got a bee in his bonnet about the Bulls losing against Leigh at the Blackpool weekend and said he hoped it wouldn’t come back to bite us if we didn’t make the top four – as it made the fixture list unbalanced. He made a gleeful post when we lost to Fev that he was right all along, until I pointed out that Fev also lost at the bash so it made no difference to the Bulls at all. He quickly deleted his post and never mentioned it again.
I unfollowed him recently and my life suddenly has a lot less anger in it.'"
With you word for word!
I followed him until I could no longer handle his obvious delight at anything that goes wrong for the Bulls - unfortunately - he gets retweeted too often and he continues to wind me up.

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| The fact that Studd forgets is that club Chairmen sign contracts with RFL and SL to guarantee all fixtures, guarantee bank loans and all Health and Safety issues. Big ask to find a fan to put their forward for this sort of responsibility.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"The fact that Studd forgets is that club Chairmen sign contracts with RFL and SL to guarantee all fixtures, guarantee bank loans and all Health and Safety issues. Big ask to find a fan to put their forward for this sort of responsibility.'"
Not actually sure that Stud ever considers, "facts", when making tweets. Mind, I guess that's what tweets are for, but Stud never bothers in any situation!
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"The fact that Studd forgets is that club Chairmen sign contracts with RFL and SL to guarantee all fixtures, guarantee bank loans and all Health and Safety issues. Big ask to find a fan to put their forward for this sort of responsibility.'"
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| Who exactly are the platoon of fans with the spare time, business expertise, and willingness to devote their time full-time to running a professional rugby league side, for free?
And why exactly would anyone think these amateur volunteers could make it all pay, when highly paid professionals have struggled and failed?
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| Studd's the Inverdale of RL.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Studd's the I*******e of RL.'"
No need at all for that sort of language
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Who exactly are the platoon of fans with the spare time, business expertise, and willingness to devote their time full-time to running a professional rugby league side, for free?
And why exactly would anyone think these amateur volunteers could make it all pay, when highly paid professionals have struggled and failed?'"
Our current owner did not appear to have any previous connection with or knowledge of the game - he got the highly paid professional trio of managers: Lowes, RHP and Ferres to do the actual running of the club. I assume that is what a magical fans committee would also do - the real issue is could the happy fans stump up with readies to keep the club afloat year after year?
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| Quote ="Northernrelic"Our current owner did not appear to have any previous connection with or knowledge of the game - he got the highly paid professional trio of managers: Lowes, RHP and Ferres to do the actual running of the club. I assume that is what a magical fans committee would also do - the real issue is could the happy fans stump up with readies to keep the club afloat year after year?'"
I'm baffled by this. In your example, what then would the role, or indeed point, of the fans committee be? How would it be cheaper, if they paid out the same salaries for the same key positions? I don't get it.
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| We'd be in National League 2 in Studd's world so costs would be cheaper for coaches at least albeit just as unaffordable.
None of it adds up. RL is an unsustainable business model at Bradford, whatever the level we play at. Cost will always exceed income.
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| I'm afraid my plans to win the Euromillions failed last night, so this is one fan that won't be buying the club.
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| If I won the euromillions I'd be planning on doing better things than running a RL club. I'd possibly sponsor the club in some way, but buy it? No chance, it wouldn't be worth the hassle!
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| Could be a long off-season for the Bulls with cash flow possibly being an issue especially if its a problem now.
Hope you lot sort something out as I want you to be a force in 2017.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I'm baffled by this. In your example, what then would the role, or indeed point, of the fans committee be? How would it be cheaper, if they paid out the same salaries for the same key positions? I don't get it.'"
I was assuming people were talking about ownership of the club, and how this is usually separate from the day to day running of the "business" and playing side. So from a operational standpoint if in this fans utopia the fans had taken over - then like other owners they would appoint managers, so not necessarily requiring time, effort or even knowledge ( though that clearly would be welcome) from themselves. So unless the fans committee had some altruistic members with the relevant skills which they were then willing to provide the club at no or little cost then you wouldn't make many savings in running costs.
The real issue is that 'ownership" of any professional RL club requires regular injections of cash and or personal guarantees from its owners and I think this is where the notion of trying to run a club in the higher leagues in RL (including league 1) by some sort of fans cooperative falls down.
It is not just RL but the majority of sports in the professional era where costs have mushroomed to the extent to which the sport at the higher levels have become whole dependent on getting a regular fix from either Sky (or equivalent TV deal) or some indulgent member of the super-rich elite.
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"Money troubles
Which Championship club is struggling financially and only paid 40% of their players wages last month? This club has promised to pay the rest it owes next month. And no, it is not Sheffield. And we hear Featherstone are throwing money around and making some attractive offers to players for next year. Fev had a good 2016, making the top four, and is determined to be in the Middle 8s next year by severely strengthening its squad."
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"Money troubles
Which Championship club is struggling financially and only paid 40% of their players wages last month? This club has promised to pay the rest it owes next month. And no, it is not Sheffield. And we hear Featherstone are throwing money around and making some attractive offers to players for next year. Fev had a good 2016, making the top four, and is determined to be in the Middle 8s next year by severely strengthening its squad."
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| That LoveRugbyLeague article is sensationalism. Either name and shame or keep your mouth shut.
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| Quote ="dddooommm"That LoveRugbyLeague article is sensationalism. Either name and shame or keep your mouth shut.'"
Couldn't agree more. It really get on my Tits. Why do it.
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| Quote ="dddooommm"That LoveRugbyLeague article is sensationalism. Either name and shame or keep your mouth shut.'"
It's been peddling the same story with a slight different spin all season.
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| If it is us, I really can't see it playing out well unless we get a major investor or someone buys the club. No offence to Green but he doesn't have the cash to pile in.
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| do they mean only 40% of the players got paid or they all got 40% of their wages? All rumours about us have involved late payments, rather than partial payments.
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| Quote ="mat"do they mean only 40% of the players got paid or they all got 40% of their wages? All rumours about us have involved late payments, rather than partial payments.'"
I think they mean every player got paid 40% of there wage
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| I agree but annoyingly they are normally right in the end!!
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