If they post something very stupid then yes, I'd say so. There's even a smiley for it. Are you like the world's most sensitive soul, that the epithet "stupid" mortally offends you? I think a public forum may be too much for your delicate sensibilities if that were actually true.


Straw man, and a poor one at that.

I'm deleting anything else off-topic from this point forward.

Bravo!

These will be the first two posts deleted then

Well you have got three posts from me now. Hope your pleased with yourself FA, making me waste my time on here instead of watching Jeremy Kyle all day!!! Oh hope MG drops the court case! Well that's me done till 2016, don't be too upset FA.

It is sad to see Bulls in this position and the reasons will never be truely known. All teams seem to have been able to loan/sign players this season so how come the bulls didn't? They let Samutt and Scruton go while out of admin. The sole focus has been the 6 points and as an outsider looking in, minimal effort has been made to get a team to get the points back.

Certain fans see this as mostly the fault of external powers but my view (No doubt if everyone wasn't on a warning I would get slaughtered) the main fault lies with the management of the club. Marc Green talks well but surely this year he has been more at fault than Francis Cummins?

Sad for the fans who the club has really let down (including this year). When there was previously promotion and religation Bull fan didn't even worry if it was fair or not. But people need to accept reality, statements about the appeal been for the good of the game and dropping it soon as 6 point back are no good says it all. Has it been confirmed he has dropped this yet?

Good luck for the future stick together as fans and as a club. Stop the I know more than you stuff and calling people idiots because they have and opinion.

The problem is far more complex than that db. Letting players go whilst out of administration, turned out to be not the case at all, we were not out of administration according to the RFL. Believe it or believe it not the main problems stemmed from having to start from a base of nothing left in the kitty, ie no season ticket money and £650k less than other SL clubs, with them also picking up the extra proportion of that share for two years. Plus no "sugar daddy" to help bale us out, whilst living in rented property.
We don't blame every one else, and yes the fault lies with poor decisions in the years from 2006 to 2010, it's a sweeping statement to say the blame lies elsewhere, just as it's too simplistic for someone to say, just get over it and get on with rebuilding...the people who attempted to save the club, were well meaning and did their best in very difficult circumstances, let me put it into context: If you played out every game of the regular season as a SL club. Knowing that whoever the opponents were ( home or away) they would share your lost revenue of £1700 per game and they also would be getting a full share of the SKY compensation money, amounting to approx. £24,000 more than your team were getting per game (ie nearly £26,000) would you be totally happy and just accept it, and move on???

I understand all you say, but the stock answer from you board was "No one is available" rather than "with funding as it is we will have to get by with what we have got".

The choice seems to have been don't accept it and don't move on. The new owner knew what he was signing up for and I would expect he met with the RFL and the coach to dicuss what was required and sadly for you he has failed to deliver that. I can see cut cost but I can't see if he invested for the future. I fear that the new owner is no better that the old.

When the Ricahrdsons left Wakefield after year of running the club our new chairman was seen as a saviour and did more damage in one year. I'm not saying your in the same boat but let see what team he give Jimmy the resources to put together. Good luck and no doubt we will be meeting in the middle 8 league next year.

My personal guess is that the court case will quietly disappear into the sunset but it's a shame as it would have aired some rather dirty RFL washing. I know a few club chairmen will be disappointed if it does die a death. One consequence of nobody ever following through their allegations against Red Hall is that the incumbents are left to continue to run the show, and the seemingly widespread discontent about how they are doing it is just left to fester. But hey ho, nothing the fans can do about it so that's life.

It begs the point that MG feels that there is more to it than just the 6 points, which at the time of the appeal was likely to not make any difference anyway..however something does make a difference with his stance...something akin to what was said and who said it, and who believed it, at the time it was said, by a person who said he didn't say it anyway? Not sure I could sort that out.
Time will tell us once again, whether we will move on in the right direction. However it's a big ask, and the RFL have lost another big chunk of their "attendance figures" to persuade the sponsors that the game is worth sponsorship in the future..with London--Sheffield- and Bradford in the championship this will be a population in excess of 2 million who won't boast a professional SL club in their catchment area??? Who next Leeds, as the population is over 600k.

The RFLs idea of expansion is like the builder who builds an extension to enlarge his property, but puts it on the inside?

I think your general point is indisputable. Once Green was in place, everyone knew that having lost our pack (Kopczak, Carvell, Scruton) we could never compete in SL and so it proved. I presume it was fixable, given enough money, because most things are (eg Wigan when they bought Fielden, Noble et al when in the mire) but it's my assumption that the spare money to throw at the problem was simply not there. Tbf green has never painted himself as a sugar daddy, if anything quite the opposite. You say he "failed to deliver what was required" and in the superficial sense that is right, but did you believe that he would? I.e. did you think here was a man who claimed he would be spending whatever it took to save our SL existence? I don't think he ever said or implied that, and while I am as sick as anyone that we got relegated I think it's a bit unfair to accuse Green of failing "to deliver". I reckon he's pretty much done what it said on his tin.

But without loads of money to fill the holes, we were plainly sunk, and in fact we had the opposite of loads of money because (while the figures have never been released) Green also had zero season ticket income, and also had negligible remaining Sky/distribution income. It would have been a Herculean financial effort by him just to ake up the funding gap, let alone pay big money extra to get top level players in.

I don't blame him for not throwing huge wads at the problem simply because he never claimed he could, nor would. He's always more or less stuck to the principle that the business has to tick over itself - though I would be amazed if he hasn't had to put in significant sums this season as well just to pay the bills, whether it's made public or not.

It is a fact that next season once relegated, we'll be on about TREBLE the amount of money that he has had this year, and that's before ticket sales. That fact alone tells much of the story of 2014 to me.

is the new owner better than the old? Well,
1. We haven't gone into admin again
2. We seem to be paying the wages
So yes, probably.

I can under stand all these views but if the club were unable to build a competative side why sack Cummins? I honestly think he would have been a great asset to re-build you and bring you back. He was loyal and had no chance this year. Hopefully Lowes can produce but as an outsider I would have had more confidence in Cummins.

We'll never know, but it sounded from some of his comments that he had lost the dressing room, and certainly he had to take responsibilty for the appalling defensive debacles we saw week in, week out. I would have liked him to be kept on, if I'm honest, especially given his undoubted loyalty to the cause, but don't know enough of the background and if the players wouldn't play for him then maybe Green had no choice. The timing was also odd, too late for the new coach to have any chance of getting us out of the hole.

Agree with everything you say FA in the last few posts, other than the timing, which I would put down to getting the new coach in for planning next season as well as seeing which of the current team would respond and show the new coach if they were wanted or were worth keeping.

So FA, what about the timing, constructive comments please.