Not half as funny as a pis[size.[/sizespoor troll attempt failing miserably due to inability to understand what the thread is actually about.

I didn't see it at the time, neither did the ref or VR, neither did it get mentioned by the Sky team. So until I see it for myself, or read an admittance of mistake by the RL, I will assume it is more bitter paranoia from an embarrassingly large minority.

It was a "real time mistake" though wasn't it. The VR is not allowed to look for something that he wasn't asked to look for. He can't just decide to have a gander at everything that's going on.

You clearly hear the ref say stuff like... "Just check the grounding for me Steve mate!", or "Just looking to see if Graham was onside please!". The VR can't take it upon himself to say, "The grounding was fine but whilst I was looking at the grounding I noticed this...". The VR can only look at what he has been asked to look at.

Ganson made a "real time mistake" and didn't spot Buderus, so didn't ask Silverwood to check. The fact that the VR might have spotted it is irrelevant. He wasn't asked to check it because of Ganson's "real time mistake". There was no error by the VR.

I don't want to get involved in the actual debate, but I just wanted to point out that what you have said her is complete and total b0llocks. It's something that's been made up by someone (be it a fan or a pundit) and is actually not true at all. The video ref can call anything he sees and look at anything he chooses up to the last play-the-ball. If he thinks he's seen something that the referee hasn't mentioned, he is well within his authority to check it.

Incidentally, my source on this is Stuart Cummings himself.

Was there an incident between 2 teams somewhere in Wales around 2007 when a VR took it upon himself to act outside his powers? Perhaps someone on here can remember.

The difference being there, that is was during live action and it hadn't been referenced to the VR. Since that incident, the Video Referee's Microphone is not switched on during normal play, and is only used when he is requested. But once he is requested, he is free to chirp in on things the referee may not have seen.

Again, straight from the mouth of Mr Cummings.

Well it's a good job they don't all take it particually seriously then isn't it. If they were rewinding every try to the previous play the ball I'm pretty sure you can find at least one reason to disallow every single try. Not least the fact it probably wasn't played correctly.

They won't go back and watch the whole thing "just for the sake of it". But if they think they've seen something, or while watching a replay of something requested, they notice something else, then they are free to rule on it.

Must've missed it then. What can I say. Obviously our brown envelope reached him just in time.

Placed onside 3. An off side player is placed onside if(c) one of his own team in possession of the ball runs in front of him.
(d) one of his own team kicks or knocks the ball forward and takes up a position in front of him in the field of play.
(e) he retires behind the point where the ball was last touched by one of his own team


rlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_game/official_laws/14_offsiderl

Not 100% sure, but I don't think it counts as an offside. If he's in front of the ball when played, isn't it something else? "Inactive" or some other stupid term?

Purely going on when Brent Webb was penalised for it at Odsal and had a try chalked off. He went behind the man in possession, but was still penalised.

I'm sure it's a different rule to offside and is essentially that you're not allowed to get involved until the ball is played again.

Ritz will be able to clarify this one for us I think.

Not sure about "Inactive" but if he was Offside then by the laws of the game he was definitely onside by the time he touched the ball.

Yeah but as I say, go back to the try that got chalked off at Odsal a year or two ago, when Webb was penalised for the same thing after he got involved. By that rule you've quoted, he would have been deemed onside again and therefore the try would have been given. So there must be something more to it than simply classed as offside.

Maybe the ref got the Webb decision wrong?

Got it.

From Section 11Retire at play-the-ball (g) players of the side not in possession other than the player taking part in the play-the-ball and the acting half back are out of play if they fail to retire ten (10) metres from the point at which the ball is played or to their own goal lines. Players of the side in possession other than the player taking part in the play-the-ball and the acting halfback must retire behind their players involved in the play-the-ball or to their own goal line.'"