Donaldson was superb in defence. He was one of our best players until we went off, should have been Walker who was subbed.

Don't get how Langley offers more, works hard but wasn't dominant enough in the tackle, plus he needs to stop touching the ball twice every set, when we were on their line he took the ball in twice and stopped all our momentum.

Donno is a tackling machine, he isn't creative, but you look at his tackle counts, one of best in squad!

We were poor today, and Wigan were good, refereeing is not easy unless you are called Tim Roby then you can make it up as you go along

Well we were stuffed in the first half. Wigan are well drilled but we gave them so much possession and position that it was inevitable they'd score plenty.

Second half we tried less panic rugby and as such made more of a game of it. Of our team I thought Kear was my man of the match. He was solid under the kick and ran the ball with enthusiasm. For Wigan their forward pack got them on the front foot and the backs captalised. Farrell looks quality this season.

I was a bit disappointed with the amount of wrestling and messing about at the PTB. I don't want to see rucks at 100mph but it was a joke at times. There were also plenty of high shots and sly knees in the tackle from various Wigan players which was a shame, as they're good without having all that negative niggling stuff.

Roby didn't show any reason why he deserved such a big game. He was clearly out of his depth.

Bradford's messing about at the PTB and offsides kept the score down and so be grateful for the ref!

You are very funny. You do know that Wigan were the ones in purple don't you?

One of the biggest things that contributed to our losing today was Wigan's speed around the ruck. The quick PTB's which we allowed you to do tore us apart in the first half... so how we were laying on is anyone's guess. I wish we had been a little longer.

Wigan slowed down our PTB's although that didn't matter too much when Diskin was on as he did that himself.

If you are a comedian (which you obviously purport to be), I wouldnt shell out to see you. Every one of our play the balls took 10 minutes as Wigan hung on for dear life, riding, rolling and p**sing about. A legacy from the Maguire wrestling style which the fat miserable gibbon has taken to the next level. Also, after the game, cummins reported a lot of facial injuries which came from the non stop grapple tackling from Wigan.

Don't get me wrong, Wigan were by far the better team, who completely deserved the win, but to call us out for holding down is as funny as a Lenny Henry Gig!

Wigan are the best side I've seen so far this season. For a set of predominantly young home grow forwards they are really excellent and won collision after collision in the first half. Their line speed and aggression in defence was also far superior.

We were well out of sorts and key players like whitehead and Diskin looked very tired.

I've watched Tim Roby 3 times now and when a side is dominant in the ruck area and has superior line speed he stops refereeing them. His individual call making is no worse than any other ref - the Farrell steal and the Sidlow knock on/held down were poor calls in my view but most of the 'forward' passes were flat and the high shots for both sides nothing more than 50/50s.

However having established one team as dominant he views each ptb in that light meaning the dominant team are given fractionally longer to get off irrespective of who's won the collision. As the game wears on and both teams fatigue this becomes more evident to the crowd who feel he's refereeing the two teams differently, which he is, but probably to a lesser degree than we perceive in the stand. Similarly with the 10m. It has always been the case (and was when the Bulls were a good side) that fast, aggressive defences get the benefit of any doubt, particularly with inexperienced refs. At times today there were three defenders at marker and he gave Wigan the benefit of the doubt because their line speed was superior and simply guessed they'd made the ground.

Of the games he's reffed he's made zero difference to the result but he does get on your thruppenies.

One good reason the Bulls cop it from the Refs is that the video of the game picks up Bulls supporters on the mic venting their spleen, while some of it can be funny the Refs who hear it at the debrief sessions won't, especially if they get ribbed by their colleagues! I wouldn't be suprised if they have an unofficial comp to see how many times the Bulls fans can be wound up!
If thats the case Roby must be a clear leader from what I've read!

Don't understand why we did not start with Gale even if he was spelled latter in the game. We needed more control at the begining, as it was the game was beyond us after the first 20 minutrs.

Very impressed by Wigan though- strong, fast, well structured and their passing made ours look like schoolboy stuff. But the always spoil themselves in my eyes by extending the "professionalism" into slowing down the ptb.

Still we put in a good defensive effort and in the last few years we would have shipped 50 or 60 after a start like we had yesterday.

In the rubbish I've read whinging about ref's this stands out as extremely intelligent, well thought out & expressed. The point about dominance is actually one I would agree with; psychologically ref's I think do end up giving dominant teams the benefit of the doubt without being aware of it. This is nearly always top teams; great players like Hanley, Lewis, Sculthorpe, Farrell knew this & always got away with more & could get in the ref's face more. WIgan in the late 80s/90s were a classic case, when their star was waning they didn't get as much favour, hence their spoiled inbread hillbillies screaming about the whole RL world being in conspiracy against them. I'm not sure about the second point, I think that is just a better, keener team.

We lost the game up the middle and I think we could have had Andrew Johns at halfback and come away with nothing. We were totally nullified in the collision where Wigan got plenty in the tackle and made it impossible to get a quick PTB. We were finishing our sets in our own half so Wigan ended up starting theirs on the 40m line. When we did get them in their own 20m area we gave away successive penalties.

As Cummins says there Wigan had 10 more sets than us. It's no wonder we lost. Add to that the ludicrous kick offs on the full, throwing the ball in touch etc and we did well to keep the margin down to 30points.

M@islebugs point about Roby is well made. There were definite paralells with the Saints match where they were given far more time to hold down that we were despite there being hardly any difference in what was happening in the ruck. Despite that there were only a handful of dodgy decisions. Not sure about the Wigan head grappling though. Not pretty.

It showed me where we need to strengthen, I think the backrow is lacking a bit of impact. Hopefully the young lads will develop and provide this. Farrell has developed into an average kid into a dominant SL backrower. That's what Olbison, Addy and Bateman need to do. As for Whitehead, I think he needs to work on his defence if he's to keep developing, it's a weakness you can see is exploited by good sides. At prop we have 3 decent frontrowers, so obvious need for another.

It always amuses me when fans complain about the behaviour of opposition players stretching or exceeding the rules, any coach worth their salt should just tell their players to do the same (I accept that all referees would immediately penalise Bradford while letting opposition teams get away with even worse transgressions). Which brings me to my real point, Sam’s observation about grappling particularly & forward aggression generally is something I was concerned about with Cummins. He has undoubtedly far exceeded my expectations of him as a coach, however the nagging doubt remains that he is not nasty enough, nor does he have assistants who were known for being uncompromising, nor is the team filled with enforcers. Wigan, under Maguire & Wane, have brought nastiness to a new high, or playing to the edge of the rules would be more polite. I think Bradford need a bit more steel before they get a reputation for being a bit soft.