Common sense really. You would think after a few seasons of the worst halfback pairings in the league at Odsal then people could appreciate the talents of McGuire. Petty narrow minded anti-Leeds bias at its best. There is no other logical reason.

I'm kinda inclined to agree with Duckman

He's signed when the Bulls have pretty much gone through pre-season - although thankfully I believe he has gone on the warm weather training camp - so he's going to be behind the rest in terms of fitness and conditioning. That's no disrespect to the lad, just a recognition that a part-time Championship levels of fitness are way short of Super League. I'm sure he can 'catch up' but can he do it before Millennium Weekend.

I guess I'll trust Mick Potter and his team to be able to assess that. And, after all, its not as if we don't have options for the start of the season. Kearney at 6 with Royston at Full Back is pretty decent IMO

Again appreciated. Especlly after I said I thought Briggs was good but lacked pace. Which didn't go down too well. it would have been easy for you to jump on that like other bulls did. I hope the kid does well!

It looks like i'm going to be agreeing with a lot of stuff you say.

McGuire's talents are limited to being a decent support player. In terms of actually being a creative pivot he's never struck me as being able to take charge of a game. Now, that may be down to short comings in his ability or the fact that he's had players like Sinfield, Diskin and Burrows taking the hard work.

I doubt that he could do the job of say a Briers at Wire or a player of that ilk.

You couldnt be more wrong if you tried. Maybe 8-10 years ago. But McGuire is our most creative pivot before Webb sinfield burrow and buderus. McGuire is a maker and a provider of trys he's up there in the top of the sl try assists with sl 6's as well as been as good a finisher in the game. some teams have one or 2 pivots maybe 3, Leeds have 4 or 5 and his number of assists are more impressive by this fact and say he is far more than a poacher. Which is obvious to anyone who watches him week in week out.

I'd give him a couple of games in reserves purely to give him time to learn our plays without the added pressure of being in spotlight against leeds and wigan. Dont agree that he needs time to get his fitness upto superleague levels as I'd say championship first team is already a higher level than our u20's otherwise why do we send our better u20's out on loan to championship teams. IF he fits in well in friendlies then obviously throw him in at cardiff, but we've a lot off new players to integrate already and kearney and herbert have a month or two advantage over kyle in terms of getting a combination going.

Let's not turn this thread into another 'is Danny McGuire a World Class stand off' again.

McGuire if fit would walk into our side and probably most in the league.

A few years ago he was mainly a support player but from what i've seen the last couple of seasons he has a lot more to his game now.

So does Briggs play against Leeds then or what?

too early to say. takes a while to integrate a half into the squad. Personally I'd stick with kearney for leeds and wigan games then bring him in. But if he goes well in training and remaining friendlies then who knows.

It might be a bit early for him against Leeds.

He's come from part time training into a totally new squad at a higher level than he's used to.

I agree - no point wrapping him up in cotton wool, he's not a kid, but I don't think he'll be up to speed by MM.

My thoughts exactly. Ease him in against Crusaders.

Lets not disrespect them, we don't want another embarassment like Murrayfield