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I took 5 people to their first live RL game. They were genuinely excited about going, had adopted the Bulls, were making up songs beforehand etc etc. 60 mins in one of them said "I thought this was going to be a good game? We're getting battered. Can't we support Wigan instead?"
That about summed the evening up for me!

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Well every cloud has a silver lining as i talked one of my friends from Wigan to go to the game. It was her first game and she loved it.

All she said to me was "i thought bradford were ok."

I was that wound up i even said i hope the Rhinos batter you next week.

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Quote: Bullseye "It struck me on Saturday night that our re-building process is likely to take much longer than that we went through in 98. Cas's re-building process has taken years and a visit to NL1 on the way. I remember Leeds going through a similar terrible period between 99 and 2003/4. In some ways we're rather like that Leeds side of 2001. A lack of quality, a young coach playing gcatch up and the kids not ready yet to come through. Meanwhile the fans called for Powell's head and bemonaed the poor recruitment they made. '"


There are comparisons with Cas, though we never had the success of the Bulls to build on. A succession of average or crap coaches damaged the strcucture & goodwill of the club. But we survived 2 relegations & the break up (rape) of a potentially outstanding core of players. Cas are a smallish club who do not expect success as a right & are prepared to stand for a period of failure partially because we know there will always be a nucleus of outstanding youngsetrs coming through. All that is needed is someone at the helm to direct the ship. Matterson is proving better than I expected, even though I would rather see a British coach (& I admit to liking Cullen) there would be a queue of ex Aussies down Manchester Road if the Bradford job came up.

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Quote: af "I think that was a pretty decent Wigan performance that would probably have seen of most sides in the league, albeit not by 34 points. It was a thumping of the sort most sides suffer every now and then but we've generally avoided in the McNamara era.'"


I disagree - Wigan were certainly up for it but Bradford's defence was appalling, particularly one on one and close to the line. Once Wigan broke the line it looked like the rest of the team had given up.

I could be wrong - we'll see next weekend when Wigan come to Headingley icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Bullseye "
It struck me on Saturday night that our re-building process is likely to take much longer than that we went through in 98. Cas's re-building process has taken years and a visit to NL1 on the way. I remember Leeds going through a similar terrible period between 99 and 2003/4. In some ways we're rather like that Leeds side of 2001. A lack of quality, a young coach playing gcatch up and the kids not ready yet to come through. Meanwhile the fans called for Powell's head and bemonaed the poor recruitment they made.

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Obviously there were a number of factors behind our success during the 90's and early 00's, but it owed much to a number of inspired signings. Players such as Paul Anderson, Danny Peacock, Withers, Forshaw & Gartner were real bargains and huge successes. The likes of Les and Hape maybe cost a bit more but were still gambles. We "out-recruited" every other club during the period 1996 to 2003.

Morrison aside I cant remember the last signing that has really come up trumps, that has made fans of other clubs question why they hadnt gone for him. The signing of Harris by Noble obviously started the rot, but MacNamara's recruitment record has been extremely disappointing. Solomona has been a costly failure and his other signings have generally done no better than was expected and usually far worse.

The lack of effort on Saturday was hugely disappointing, but probably more worrying in the longer term is the fact that the current squad doesnt have that much more to offer. And I really cant see things improving until we have a coach, or someone else in the club, who can identify and recruit better players than Jeffries, Platt, Sheriffe, Nero, Sykes & co without breaking the bank.

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Quote: Cibaman " but probably more worrying in the longer term is the fact that the current squad doesnt have that much more to offer. And I really cant see things improving until we have a coach, or someone else in the club, who can identify and recruit better players than Jeffries, Platt, Sheriffe, Nero, Sykes & co without breaking the bank.'"


Recruitment hasn't been great and we've got a real imbalance in the squad as well as a lack of quality.

It seems to me that unless McNamara can suddenly start to work some magic then you're right, we'll be stuck with mediocrity at best, and I don't think that's going to be sustainable for very long. Performances like the one at Wigan will see gates go through the floor.

Given the lack of finance to bring in top quality players (I'm taking it as a given that we can't really compete for the big names anymore despite the assurances from Peter Hood) it looks like we'e going to need a new coach at some stage who can get more out of limited players and develop the kids. Who this new messiah is I do not know!

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Quote: mystic eddie "Your opinion is like a 1/2p coin. Completely worthless and of no interest to anyone, ever.'"


The irony of the above is not lost on me... An honorary Scotsman and Yorkshireman, and the only reference you can come up with involves money...

Of course, your statement is inaccurate... most people's reaction when finding a ha'penny in their change is "Wow, I haven't seen one of these in a while." and as I'm sure you're aware, people pay more than ha'penny to get them in their collections.

So comparing my opinion to a ha'penny is actually saying "Your opinion is like a 1/2p coin. People who actually know a bit about what your saying are genuinely interested and you're like a little surprise popping up every now and again."

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The answer is not Paul Cullen

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Quote: ex Bull Dog "The answer is not Paul Cullen'"


Well not any more!

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The great thing to come out of the Bulls mini-crisis is the return of Adey, FA & AP to the site. One more loss & we could see Green Vigo & Eddie Szymala back giving us their wisdom.

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Quote: tigertot "The great thing to come out of the Bulls mini-crisis is the return of Adey, FA & AP to the site. One more loss & we could see Green Vigo & Eddie Szymala back giving us their wisdom.'"


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Quote: Eddie Szymala "to be fair I would talk more if you let me out of the cellar and removed this billiard ball

It would need to be a football to shut you up.

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Quote: tigertot "The great thing to come out of the Bulls mini-crisis is the return of Adey, FA & AP to the site. One more loss & we could see Green Vigo & Eddie Szymala back giving us their wisdom.'"


Sorry to disappoint you, but I returned from self-imposed exile following a very positive development on the moderating team front. At that time, we were merely in the middle of a Little Local Difficulty.

It is only since my return that events have developed not necessarily to our advantage - make of that what you will... eusa_think.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: ex Bull Dog "The answer is not Paul Cullen'"


I disagree.

If the question is...........

After Gary Schofield, who is the biggest gobe in Rugby League?

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Quote: Adeybull "Sorry to disappoint you, but I returned from self-imposed exile following a very positive development on the moderating team front. At that time, we were merely in the middle of a Little Local Difficulty.

It is only since my return that events have developed not necessarily to our advantage - make of that what you will...
I know who you mean & what you mean. Not that I agree with you.

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