Fully concur witgh both of the above!

That is alright then. Philgee and Rickflynn can continue to post.

Well done chaps.

If that's what the specialist was given then that information differentiates from what Highlander said which is what I was basing my points n.

1. So to be fair they are then also playing mind games with their own fans and putting doubt into their mind which is where the lack of trust or faith will obviously start to break down. I will revert back to Jamie Langley last year as a typical example.

2. He may well have broke down in training but these "specialists" who they see when they are carrying an injury should surely be able to spot this kind of thing, again going back to what I said about if it was me and my boss. If the $hit hi the fan and he simply aggravated it and made it worse in training then that's unfortunate, but if we were told he took a knock in the game on Sunday and is out for x number of weeks then we aren't been told the full storey which I think more fans would appreciate.

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Why thankyou 

Not sure about the Langley situation, and to be honest I've only ever seen one person alude to that and not heard a single other thing relating to it. But the Orford one is surely a legal issue and hardly something we can blame the club about either? If the club COULD tell us more, I'm sure they would. But it seems fairly clear to me from what was put out that the reasons behind it all are confidential and can never be revealed in public. So again, would we prefer they revealed them anyway, then got taken to the courts over it?

I think there's a tendency for some people to automatically jump to the negative conclusions regarding a lot of the things the club does or does not put out, when they often don't know the reasons for it. It seems to me that there's a few on here (and I'm not meaning you here) that just want to slate the club regardless of what option they choose. If you asked those people before the club said owt, what their opinion was, then the club came out with the same one, these people would probably change their opinion just so they could tell the club they were wrong again.

If the club do something that's worthy of criticism, then I'm all for it being done. They certainly aren't immune to it. However I think a lot of the time, it's highly unwarranted, and the "damned if they do, damned if they don't" phrase is a perfect one for it.

Can understand that POV, tbh. In response, could I suggest anyone concerned about an issue (real or imagined) ring or email Stuart Duffy when questions like this crop up? He has always said he will seek to answer any reasonable questions from fans (as indeed the directors have said), and that has certainly been my experience. Surely that is far better than wild speculation on here? How much easier to just pick the phone up, or send an email or even a text?

I'm sure you can forgive the club for thinking that there are some people (I'm not meaning you, btw) who seem far happier going on about some half-baked artificial issue rather than actually finding out the inconvenient truth of the facts?

The conclusion of the Orford saga reflected the legalities of the situation. I am sure if the club was in a position to explain in full what went on, and why decisions were taken as they were, then most fans would have a much better understanding of the situation the club was in. And some few of the more vocal critics and conspiracy theorists would probably look and feel pretty foolish, tbh. But the club is bound by legalities and other constraints for issues like this, as I know you appreciate and I would hope most other folk would likewise appreciate.

Agree with this.

Why does there always have to be blame? Why does someone always have to be "at fault". The club acted with good intentions and in good faith regarding the injury to Heath.

Medicine is not an exact science - because it mainly deals with people.

Xray interpretation is just that - interpretation.

It should be noted that the final diagnosis confirmed what the Bulls medical team thought initially on Sat night. Much credit to them.

B. Franklin 1789 "In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes"

Not forgetting Heathenbergs uncertainty principle, which as we all know is related to the "observer effect"

Thought Ainscough showed some good pace on Saturday, and dealt well with everything kicked at him. And what about Heaths cheeky try, reminded me of James Lowes, as did Discos quick dive over.