Poor performance. Defence terrible. No creativity.

Why wouldn't we get a better chance against Wigan. They'll have had a flogging in training after last week, and they were always going to come out all guns blazing for 80 minutes.

My optimism hasn't gone, even though i am extremely disappointed with that performance. We were never going to break that (superb) defence down by playing one man rugby. Admittedly it would be difficult for any side without their halfbacks, but they shouldn't be the only source of creativity. Obviously they are the main one, but there should be other players in the squad to create something.

If Herbert isn't back next week then I really think Southernwood should get a chance. Okay, he's not ready physically, but a couple of games isn't too much to ask imo.

Sykes offers nothing in the halves, and whilst he did try, he was reluctant to pass the ball and he didn't make any decent ones. You can't play in the halves if you're not going to get the ball out.

Bryn at 13 baffled me too, when we are without halves we need extra creativity in the side - Addy should've been in imo.

Utter rubbish. I had to check the date to make sure it was not 2010 all over again. Clueless going forward, players playing out of position, players who can't catch or pass or tackle. Dire.
That was a poor Wigan performance and the put 40 past us, at home.
All my early season optimism has just well and truely gone.

And why no Addy? So lets play a prop at 13, a full back at scrum half and Sykes at 6 and leave Southernwood out altogether. I don't get it at all.

I think there is inevitably a bit of over-reaction on here (and on Radio Leeds, listening in the car on the way home)

We came up against a very professional (albeit somewhat cynical) team today and came up well short. I haven't seen the stats, but I'm pretty sure we spent as much time in their half with the ball in hand, as they did in ours. The big difference was that they converted something like 60-70% of attacking possession into a try. That's simply the result of professionalism, slick play, speed of thought and the fact that the team has been well drilled over a period of time.

We looked a bit undercooked by comparison. There were some good signs I thought, and no lack of effort. I think the guys gave it their best shot, but were second best in everything really.

I don't actually think Sykes was all that bad, but he's clearly no stand off - he just doesn't have the speed of thought and execution to make a No 6. That's because he isn't one. I'd like to hear Mick Potter explain why Addy didn't get the start in that slot. Given that he wasn't even on the bench, perhaps there was a late injury? Perhaps would also explain why Hargreaves started at 13 - a bizarre choice I felt

Great to see Odsal jumping, and must confess the hairs on the back on my neck stood up when the fireworks went off and the entire main stand stood to clap the team onto the pitch.

But, keep the faith. We will improve, I am sure

It wasn't the best - but it was by no means poor. Tomkins was sheer class for them. Their defence was absolutely outstanding too.

A poor Wigan performance? Did you actually go to the game?
Not seen a team defend as well as they did today in a long time they are going to be a tough team to beat this year.

Where was Briggs?

Out for 4-6 weeks. Ligaments.

Poor Wigan performance? Some of the passing and the running off the ball was a joy to watch from Wigan. The speed of their defensive line is killed us and just didn't allow us to make ground.

Disappointing performances from some of our players but reality check time.. we are two games in with no halfbacks and a shed load of new players playing against the best side in the comp. That doesn't excuse all of what we saw today but at the same time perhaps a little too early to reach for the rope.

Impotent in attack, clueless in defence. Team selections straight out of the McNamara handbook.

Hard to see us beating Crusaders next week on that showing or Wakefield the week after. All that early enthusiasm was wiped out today. Last week was clearly a flash in the pan.

Looks like Sykes took a knock late on, fingers crossed it keeps him out a while. That guy isn't fit to play in NL2.

V disappointed all round.

Yes, unfortunately.
They defended well, got away with lots, then kicked for territory, and waited for our inevitable mistake. I was not particularly inspired by them, no.

Potter certainly needs to work on our defence out wide, our wingers get sucked in far too easy.
Hargreaves is far too big, and not quick enough to play at Loose, he's a quality prop, but that was a bad call from Potter.

STFU

He put in 100% effort. I'm sure he didn't ask to be played at 6 - but he's playing where he's been asked and trying his best.

Oh my God, reading some of the posts on here makes me worry if you've jumped off of a roof shortly after. Take the positives!

Yes, it really wasn't the best performance. We did too much work in defence in the first half which took it's toll. A few silly errors, like Raynor trying to get the ball out in the first half, which Wigan scored from, and a lack of discipline at times cost us. Plenty to work on for Potter in that aspect.

BUT, we had no halves, and Herbert will be back next week. We were also playing the best team in the competition by a long, long way and they'll do that to better teams than us over the course of the season. It was disappointing to see us get rolled over like that for sure, but we'll improve.

Let's not descend into 2010, because you all fully well know it ain't gonna be that bad.