To be fair to Donaldson he is much younger and more inexperienced than Kirke, playing in a poorer side with fewer accomplished players and he's coming back from a badly broken leg.

That said, I would say he would be better building his way back in the U20s or even on loan so he returns to the side full of confidence. Unfortunately injuries have put paid to that. As it is at the moment he contributes very little, but he's far from the only one and there are candidates more deserving of criticism.

i agree bullseye, but the likes of scruton and hargreaves should all be doing this, along with experienced players like sibbit. its that reason i think sibbit is a good edition, he does his job, takes the carries and makes the tackles.

that is where the problem in the team lies imo- players who dont do there job (out of position or not). ie centres should be a wide threat and hitting holes all day long. our line running is shocking.

2nd rows- make the tackles and run the channels, too many JUST driving forward.

props- lynch, scruts and hargreaves just dont appear to draw the men into the tackle. we then have no platform as the defence is set and cant break the line. this leads to us forcing the pass and turning over the ball. i think herbert is the biggest victim of this, he has to force the pass to the few people running lines off of a poor platform. he has shown when there are gaps he can find the right pass but id hate to play with at hb with our backrow and centres running off of me.

We're lacking quality fullstop. That's why we are where we are in the table. In terms of attacking play we're plain awful and can only really compete when the conditions stop the opposition from playing an expansive game.

I note a lot of people stating that our pack is alright but really it isn't that good. We're lacking hard runners and defenders in the backrow and an element of toughness mentally and physically. If the pack gets on top as you say the platform is laid. Too often we've been out enthused and beaten up front. Recent games versus Cats and Hull are good examples of this.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

That reminds me of the time a Bulls fan asked Mick Withers outside the ticket office whether he was looking forward to a forthcoming match against leeds. He just smiled and said "We love playing Leeds, they're a soft team". I suspect thats how other teams now regard us.