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this is the bit I'm struggling with

"...(T)hat I`ve said is that there is little point in sacking him(since there is absolutely no guarantee that any incoming coach will fare any better)"

There is no guarantee in anything if we are going to that degree.

No team would ever change coach on that basis (that's what I mean by changing the level of the argument from a Macca specific one to a far fetched claim that no coach could be guaranteed to do any better).

I think its a fair call to say that other coach (unnamed, perhaps unavailable coach) could potentially do better.

Your reasons for wanting to stick with Macca or not having yet made up your mind or not wanting to judge are all, of course, perfectly reasonable. But to say that he shouldn't be replaced as no coach could be guaranteed to do better is a false premise and an unsound argument.

Having said all that I'm prob being uncharitable in my reading of your post, but I just can't resist illogical claims. All the best, Si

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Quote: AndreaB "I’ve always been sceptical about how much use bollockings from the coach have. The players know when they’re playing badly and need the problems identifying and solutions offering rather than a blasting.
Personally if I get a bollocking at work (rare event) I react badly to it. I dislike being shouted at and respond much better to calm words which offer valuable advice.
The players are adults too and I’m sure walking out in the second half with their ears ringing can only distract them further and make things worse.

Nobby always said that he liked to keep the half time talk to a minimum, speaking calmly and giving each player one or two things to remember for the second half. That way they go back out focused and determined to improve.

Bollocking players after the match is pointless too. The errors and weak areas of the game are obvious enough and they would no doubt cover these areas in training but unless the players and coach can understand one another and talk like adults you don’t have any chance of turning things around come the next matchday.

Paul Cullen was (allegedly) a shouter. Where did that get him?'"


Everyone is different, everyone responds in different ways. Some no doubt would take a bollocking badly and take their bat (ball?) home, others would be fired up by it and aim to do better.
Some players need a quiet word and some pointers, some would take that as patronising.
I guess the point I'm making is that part of being a manager is knowing the best way to get the best out of your employees. Perhaps Macca needs to change his management style, perhaps he needs to try some bollockings, it might rouse one or two from their slumber.

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Quote: Asim "[iIf[/i that is the case it would suggest the coach has lost the dressing room, or at least part of it and, without the unlikely event of all the players causing problems being out of contract, there is never any way back for a coach in those circumstances.'"


I'm getting concerned that we seem to be agreeing more and more icon_eek.gif

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Quote: Bullpower "I'm getting concerned that we seem to be agreeing more and more Everybody sees the light in the end, even if they'd rather not admit it icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Asim "[iIf[/i that is the case it would suggest the coach has lost the dressing room, or at least part of it and, without the unlikely event of all the players causing problems being out of contract, there is never any way back for a coach in those circumstances.'"


A point I made after the Wigan game earlier this season. A point that came under close scrunity by some, and ridicule from others.

Maybe I was not too far off the mark after all.

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When I think of a coach losing the dressing room it is usually a powerful player, with an ego to match, thinking they (& maybe do) know better - a Hanley or Farrell type. I don't think there are those characters at Bradford (Solomona being the only enigma), the natural leaders in Menzies & Morrison don't strike me as the type. The club captain certainly doesn't have the ability as a player, or as a captain, to lead a revolt. Maybe it would bring things to a head, & for the better, if there was.
It seems confidence, attitude & professionalism have all gradually deteriorated. While Mac might be universally liked by the players I am not sure how much he is respected as a coach/manager (different things). I think he has probably lost that.

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