Oh dear. 20 minutes in, and Wigan have realised they have Gelling and Manfredi against Dawson and Owens. Put your pints down lads, this is all over.

Another utterly useless defensive display on the flanks. Another utterly clueless offensive display all over the park. This could be a 40 point margin if Wigan don't switch off.

This is the worst Saints team of the super league era.

Pathetic attempt by Luke Walsh to tackle Tompkins for that try. Let his team mates down there, totally bottled it. Sick of having to carry him defensively. Fages is much smaller and puts himself about much more.

This'll be a harsh view, but the reason we're so poor is Lomax. He's a huge slice of our salary cap, and we've had no value out of him now for two years. The result is we're having to roll with sub-standard lower-league players like Thompson, Richards, Dawson, McDonnell.

Every one of our backs is worse than every one of Wigan's. Yet we're spending the same cash. We need to be ruthless now with Lomax. Either he's going to play, or he needs to go.

Re:the "rip". We're now relying on sympathy calls from the video ref to keep us in the game.

Walsh to blame for 2 try's now. Get rid. Stealing a living.

Pedestrian pace, no urgency to play the ball. Forwards lumbering forward. Walsh offers very little, and delivers very slow passes that give little opportunity for the receiver to attack the line at pace. You can see the difference with Fages who actually offers a threat. The ball never once moved beyond the centres, depriving the wings of a chance.

The defence was awful.

It's just a pour team and it's badly coached. To many players been brought in that just ain't saints standard. Me and few others on here predicted our last "transition" of bringing in poor players would set us back years and then Brown changed it round.

I'm pretty sure we now are back to the Potter/Simmons days and it's going to take money and years to get us anywhere near another final.

Never seen such weak backs, and so many of the forwards no better, there is no speed, only tactic in the book is kick in the air to the corner flag

We looked more like a pub team today and got mauled by the Wigoons, great defensive display by them and should have had 40 points on the board. Felt like walking out at half time, this team is so badly coached with no rugby brains at all, worse team I've ever seen in my lifetime, can't see me lasting any more games longer with this rubbish served up.

Pedestrian is a good description of the St Helens performance. There didn't seem to be any urgency from your lot. It was far to easy for us to slow you down with no effort to get up and play the ball quickly. You had plenty ball in good positions but seemed to lack the craft and imagination to find a way through, part of that was down to a very good defensive display by us though. If I were a St Helens fan I'd be very unhappy with Walsh particularly for the Smith try. He was far to busy trying to claim an obstruction rather than put in the effort to make a tackle which he probably could have got too. Your only player who seemed up for it was LMS.

Totally agree.

Walsh's effort for Smith's try was a disgrace. We really are carrying him. It's like having 12 men in defence. Have a look at Walsh's attempt to tackle Tompkins , it lacked effort. He bottled both them tackles. With the ball he's frightened stiff of getting tackled. We need to drop him and have Walsh and Fages in the halves. I'm actually excited by Fages, he actually looks like a Saints player. I would build our team around him.

It's difficult to encapsulate everything wrong with that performance in a single post. Strangely enough, the first 10-15 minutes were quite encouraging. We mixed it and with Fages taking the ball to the line we looked capable of producing opportunities.

But as soon as Wigan started to get some good possession from our penalties and errors our defensive frailties became very clear. Watching our left edge defence I thought I'd taken a wrong turn and ended up at the circus. Between them Walsh, Dawson and Owens created an overlap for Wigan every time the ball went that way. Abysmal.

What was just as disappointing, though, was that as soon as that started happening our forwards seemed to decide they weren't interested anymore.

That's before we even get on to the attack. A classic moment that summed it up was when Wilkin stepped somebody and got into clear space ... then stopped and looked around for a defender to run at.

I'm still amazed at the score - how we played that badly and got away with a respectable scoreline is beyond me. It's a good job we were playing Wigan 2016 and not Wigan 2013.

Wigan played the basics and saints could not deal with it. thats was an absolute disgrace . The players,coach and the club as a whole should issue an apology for that. I was embarrassed to be wearing my red vee and I never said that in my life . Utter rubbish .

Said the same to my missus. Should have been a 40+ defeat that. They broke through our line so many times. Amor takes that pass near the end and it's a 6 point margin. I don't think Wane will be happy with that.