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| And this is where it gets interesting ...
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "And this is where it gets interesting ...'"
Yep , he's obviously gone public to rattle a few cages. The current system is a joke, how can a player get a 1 game ban for a late, high and pretty deliberate shoulder to the head that causes the damage it has.
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| Nice to get this out in derby week, hopefully means the officials at the DW will have their Micky Mac goggles on.
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| I suppose it had to be said, we mentioned last season that the officials and disciplinary will start to have a DIRECT impact on the result of a game instead of the players, looks as though thats coming to roost with the amount of complaints. We all know its a difficult job for a ref these days with players taking advantage, but its unbelievable the degree of incompetence of applying the rules these days.
The disciplinary have lost all credibility and are not far off corruption in there decisions.
Improvements in officials and disciplinary seem a long way off as the RFL heads are buried in sand.
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| The RFL gave the maximum they could
Quote: " RFL ON FIELD COMPLIANCE PROCEDURES & SENTENCING GUIDELINES
Sentencing Guidelines
Rule 15.1 (K)
Shoulder Charge B-D Indirect or secondary contact with the head of an attacking player.
C-E Direct initial contact with the head of an attacking player.
A-C Other dangerous contact.'"
If you watch the replay properly the contact 1st hits Burns on his shulder and rides up thats a grade B offence which carries a Tariff of 1-2 matches. They gave Green the maximum 2 match ban and because he has a good discipline record he had an EGP available reducing it further.
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| Suspended within the rules as per RFL and whilst I agree with the poor officiating he seems to have forgotten to mention the 2 massively forward passes that led to tries you didn't deserve.
Nobody wants to see players injured but it is a part of the game and I'm not sure he would have been as vocal if the boot was on the other foot and one of your monsters had taken Kelly or campese out (even though you had a good go with the latter).
Get over it and move on. We beat you fair and square and I just hope you can patch up your team to beat Wigan and hull.
Watch the only 'true' derby tomorrow on sky and learn about passion and commitment from loyal rl fans
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| Quote: Easty "The RFL gave the maximum they could
If you watch the replay properly the contact 1st hits Burns on his shulder and rides up thats a grade B offence which carries a Tariff of 1-2 matches. They gave Green the maximum 2 match ban and because he has a good discipline record he had an EGP available reducing it further.'"
Secondary contact doesn't fracture cheekbones, let alone in 3 places. The tv evidence shown was at best for hkr inconclusive (because it was that late not even the tv cameras were expecting any further involvement) - it's as bad a shoulder charge as we've had since the ban was brought in - if Walmsely got a C grade last year, it had to be a C. It was incorrect, purely to back up the incorrect decision made on the field.
Taking bias out of the question do you agree with the logic that an action that caused no harm got a 2 game ban, and an action which broke a players cheekbone only got 1?
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| Quote: balfourboy "Suspended within the rules as per RFL and whilst I agree with the poor officiating he seems to have forgotten to mention the 2 massively forward passes that led to tries you didn't deserve.
Nobody wants to see players injured but it is a part of the game and I'm not sure he would have been as vocal if the boot was on the other foot and one of your monsters had taken Kelly or campese out (even though you had a good go with the latter).
Get over it and move on. We beat you fair and square and I just hope you can patch up your team to beat Wigan and hull.
Watch the only 'true' derby tomorrow on sky and learn about passion and commitment from loyal rl fans
"Nobody wants to see players injured". Who are you trying to kid mate? Any player, whether that be a Saints player or a Hull KR player, who deliberately shoulder charges an opposition player, is not attempting to play by the rules and risks seriously injuring a player.
Why do you think it was done so early in the game? It is obvious. And even you, deep down, know full well that your team had a plan to "take out" Travis Burns. Just like Wigan did with Lance in the GF. It's a disgrace, whichever team does it.
Oh, and you've got your days all mixed up. The real derby is on Friday and is being held at the Wigan Athletic Football Stadium.
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| It seems to me that Saints fans have either short or selective memories. A couple of seasons ago, Meli and Wilkin carried out dreadful attacks to the heads of 2 Hull KR players. Meli nearly took the head off Hall and broke his arm in the attack which was so bad that even Child would agree when he was sent off, Wilkin merely got put on report. Both were banned which brought howls of derision from Saints fans. So can a Saints fan explain why was it so wrong for Saints players to be banned yet Green got off lightly?
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| Quote: cornishexpress "So can a Saints fan explain why was it so wrong for Saints players to be banned yet Green got off lightly?'"
If you can find evidence of your imaginary saints fan outrage at Meli being banned, I'll respond to your imaginary scenario.
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| Quote: cornishexpress "It seems to me that Saints fans have either short or selective memories. A couple of seasons ago, Meli and Wilkin carried out dreadful attacks to the heads of 2 Hull KR players. Meli nearly took the head off Hall and broke his arm in the attack which was so bad that even Child would agree when he was sent off, Wilkin merely got put on report. Both were banned which brought howls of derision from Saints fans. So can a Saints fan explain why was it so wrong for Saints players to be banned yet Green got off lightly?'"
Meli was banned for a clumsy tackle - I can't recall what he got but I bet it was more than 1 game. I vaguely remember Wilkin getting something too
Green (a prop) hit Burns (a Halfback) with his shoulder (now illegal), late (illegal) and in the face (illegal). He didn't get sent off which probably cost us 2 points, he got a pathetic 1 match ban and to add insult to injury Burns got a triple fracture for his troubles. We have every right to be annoyed.
One thing I do remember clearly is the amount of wailing and crying your lot did about Meli especially.
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| Quote: cornishexpress "It seems to me that Saints fans have either short or selective memories. A couple of seasons ago, Meli and Wilkin carried out dreadful attacks to the heads of 2 Hull KR players. Meli nearly took the head off Hall and broke his arm in the attack which was so bad that even Child would agree when he was sent off, Wilkin merely got put on report. Both were banned which brought howls of derision from Saints fans. So can a Saints fan explain why was it so wrong for Saints players to be banned yet Green got off lightly?'"
Erm, when you are referring to Saints fans, you should use the phrase 'some Saints fans'.
I do not have a short or a selective memory. Meli fully deserved his sending off, although calling it an "attack" is grossly misrepresenting the situation and does you no favours.
Wilkin should of walked too. Any deliberate attack to the head is disgraceful.
All I want, as a fan of my club and the game in general, is consistency. Wilkin should of seen red in the game you referred too. Green should of seen red last week. Simple.
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| Interesting to read Eamonn questioning the inconsistencies in the disciplinary process, ironically Neil Hudgell did the same last season...
One can only expect Eamonn to cop a fine too if we're talking about consistency...
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