Well once again we can't start a match.

We must be the worst team at grounding out an opening to a game.

What was Wellens binned for ?

Sounds like our completion rate is awful.

Another horrible, rudderless showing. Pathetic from the pack, pathetic control of the ball and a complete lack of intensity and effort. I said in another thread that our problems are mental, its a lack of effort and commitment, just pro players going through the motions.

Its such a mess tonight, where are they all playing? Where on earth is Wello pretending to play? Howarth? They cant both be playing 6?

I think that game shows a true reflection of where we are. Any idea's about finishing 4th or 5th were just false hopes.

all jokes aside... its hard to see how this decline has been allowed to happen.

some very bad decisions have been made at saints... i think player retention must be right at the top of the list

If you are every to get your jokes in now is the time. We could all do with a laugh.

Would agree with that and when Wellens and Gardner get their new deals it will further prove that. Brown's tinkering doesn't help either.

sorry, used them all up on wigan scoring one try at home with no sam tomkins against one of the poorest defences in SL

If Hull beat Wakey on Monday you will be stuck in 8th & 3 points adrift from the teams above you.

I for one never thought I would see a Saints team clinging on to 8th spot, a few weeks ago I posted on here that Saints would be in the last 4 of the play off's.

I just can't see that happening now.

This team is almost the same team as last year. In fact, in Turner and Manu it's actually an improved team. So the coach has to be the reason for this steep decline.

For those who went tonight, how did the two rumoured ins Beaumont and Carlile play?

Leeds were in a similiar type of position around this time in 2011. Hovering around 8th position and just got a total shellacking from catalans. Food for thought.

They was but they was a good squad playing bad. We are a bad team playing bad.

Leeds were streets ahead of us as a team though so although you may be attempting to reassure us, alas the two situations are chalk and cheese!