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I can see where they're coming from with the argument, and if there has been a precedent set, its hard to ignore, but personally i think his 2 year ban should include training as well, or we'll just creep to a point where any banned player will just train alongside his "teammates" for the duration of their ban.
We need to make sure young players (and fans) know this behaviour is unacceptable and it will ruin your life and your career.

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A ban for two years includes training. Anything else is a perversion of justice.

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SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled. For 27 - 0 you get a trophy For 75 - 0 you get sod all. Wigan had eight in a row Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg



Quote: Mugwump "A ban for two years includes training. Anything else is a perversion of justice.'"



Obviously it doesn't.
Your opinion is irrelevant.
Let the INDEPENDENT hearing decide.

As a Wigan fan I'm happy with that (regardless of the decision)

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Obviously it doesn't.
Your opinion is irrelevant.
Let the INDEPENDENT hearing decide.

As a Wigan fan I'm happy with that (regardless of the decision)'"


What about as a father? (or grandfather)

would you be happy if the next generation of rogues took from this that drugs can't be that bad?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Obviously it doesn't.
Your opinion is irrelevant.'"


ALL opinion matters. If it weren't for opinion and subsequent lobbying we wouldn't have a drugs ban in the first place.

Quote: Rogues Gallery "Let the INDEPENDENT hearing decide.

As a Wigan fan I'm happy with that (regardless of the decision)'"


I can't say that I'm surprised by your attitude. Indeed, I can set my watch by it.

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[quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that. [/quote] Another classic: [quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban. Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player. Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666 0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match". Therefore ZERO.[/quote] Give the girl her dummy back.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18821.jpg



Quote: Rogues Gallery "Obviously it doesn't.
Your opinion is irrelevant.
Let the INDEPENDENT hearing decide.

As a Wigan fan I'm happy with that (regardless of the decision)'"


Take one of Gareths chill pills.
Imagine if Saints were the ones doing this,you'd be going apoplectic.
Your all for the good of the game persona you try to propagate is shot.
As Ive been saying all along your just a one eyed pie munching troll.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



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If the INDEPENDENT commission say he can't train until June, then so be it.

No great drama.

Lets wait and see.

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Rogues has a long and dishonorable history of condoning actions that aren't in the spirit of the game.

When the decision is against Wigan he vociferously supports Platonic absolutes. The Law is the Law etc. etc. But when the circumstances are flipped he predictably reverts to rinky-dink sophism arguing that the best interests of the game should be determined by mercenary lawyers.

Pathetic, really. But what else can you expect?

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Which footballer set the precedent? The article didn't say.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "If the INDEPENDENT commission say he can't train until June, then so be it.

No great drama.

Lets wait and see.'"


So if it were any other Club than yours you would condone the early return of a guilty drug cheat then would you?

As Mugwump states, your attitude is very predictable.

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I personally think he should be allowed to train, given as much help as possible to help him get on the right road, and resume his career.

I don't understand why sport is possibly the only profession where if you get caught taking recreational drugs, you're barred from earning a living in said profession. People like Hock, Danny Langtree, Matt Stevens, et al, should be helped rather than banished from their profession for two years. It sounds like Wigan, to their credit, have. Performance enhancing drugs is, a different kettle of fish, mind you.

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Quote: jonnythesaint "I personally think he should be allowed to train, given as much help as possible to help him get on the right road, and resume his career.

I don't understand why sport is possibly the only profession where if you get caught taking recreational drugs, you're barred from earning a living in said profession. People like Hock, Danny Langtree, Matt Stevens, et al, should be helped rather than banished from their profession for two years. It sounds like Wigan, to their credit, have. Performance enhancing drugs is, a different kettle of fish, mind you.'"


What??

Let me put it this way. If you had a young child who idolised a player and said player was caught taking rcreational drugs; without redress from the authorities, would you then be happy for your young child to believe that taking these things was acceptable?

In my opinion, any player, from ANY Club (ours included) should be banned for a far greater period than the mandatory 2 years. Behaviours don't change without significant consequences.

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Quote: jonnythesaint "I don't understand why sport is possibly the only profession where if you get caught taking recreational drugs, you're barred from earning a living in said profession.'"


The reason is simple: sport is unlike any other profession. To draw parallels with a fork-lift driver or a policeman is nonsense.

If you DON'T believe sport is different then you won't mind if players leave with a week or a month's notice to play for someone else. Perhaps just before a Grand Final?

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