Calderwod could have been a great winger. He went very very backwards at Wigan, and looks like he may never get that back.

Raynor is a crab.

Fox has potential to be a great winger. He needs to get outside of East Hell though

Not a lot of point responding to that properly. I've given examples, detailed examples, of why I don't think Gardner's as good defensively and you've either dismissed them without consideration or ignored them. If that's the level at which you're going to debate then it's fairly pointless continuing.

Just one point though

Indeed it is. That's why I think Raynor's a better defensive winger: he doesn't get caught out as often.

Hmm, you've played in the Challenge cup final and the Grand Final? You are Paul wellens and I claim my £5.

Just had a phone call from my mate who went to the game.

He said Fox absolutely outplayed Gardner in every facet of the game tonight.

There's not a cat in hell's chance you're gonna keep up with Leeds over the next few seasons unless you address your pace issue as a team.

Fox did outplay Gardner. Fox was brilliant!

Fox owned gardner tonight and outplayed him in every aspect a really good display, lets hope a certain Mr smith was watching Feed the fox and he will score

You mean like when he got outside Gardener tonight??

Hey, you play with what you've got and except for Pryce and Eastmond, we don't have pace. We don't have a kicking game either. We do have some goalkickers but they just aren't used, for some reason. So I'd say there are many things to address!

But who cares about keeping up with Leeds. Sheesh. They're just one team. Personally I think everyone but Warrington and probably Salford (not seen them play yet) are going to take some beating this year. Even Celtic could be a challenge if they could just work out how to play the full 80 at their 20 minute burst speed. There can be no assumptions this season IMO.

Fox is a damn good winger and I was stunned that he wasn't taken to Australia. I sincerely hope that will be put right in the four nations.

i am truly shocked.

I hate to say it put Fox outplayed Gardner tonight in defence. He also out-ran him for the Fox try from the kick.

I cant be bothered reading the whole thread, however, I said to anyone that would listen that Fox had Gardner in his pocket last night. Doesn't mean that Gardner is a bad player though and he's still a better right winger than anyone else in the comp......

No he's not, I'd pick Calderdud in front of Gardner, Gardner is absolutely shocking.