I wouldnt suggest for second a coach would right anyone off, I do however suspect he is glad he isnt up against a player of PROVEN quality like Leon Pryce. Wheeler will be on the bench unless he's tripped and broke his leg on the pre game walkaround at OT. Armstrong offers nothing off the bench other than the ability to come on and be average

But the player of PROVEN quality by the name of Leon Pryce did nothing for us in the CC semi. And it's not like we were beaten in the forwards. He offered nothing extra at all. And since then how many games has he played exactly?

He has been a great player for us but he is not match fit.

And Wheeler is? Ask Leon and Wheeler to show there medal collections .. see who is more likely to step up in a big game. Armstrong is match fit I imagine because of his time at Leigh

I've no doubt Leeds fans, players and coach will be over the moon that pryce isn't in the 17. Fair enough he's not done anything this year due to injuries and maybe contract talks but I've no doubt Leon would give 100% if he played.

No doubt this selection could come back and bite Royce on the bum.

Past glories. Leave those to Wigan. We need talented players who are fit. Wheeler is fitter than Pryce. End of story really.

You haven't yet countered my reminder of Pryce's inability to inject anything of use into our game in the CC semi.

What did wheeler inject in to the CC semi final?

He would have injected a heck of a lot more than Pryce did had he played. Remember Good Friday? Wheeler was running rings around Wigan.

I'm sure Pryce was just not match fit and that is why his performances almost disappeared after that initial showing against Hudds (or whoever it was - can't remember). I think Royce knows what he is doing.

That wheeler game is getting like the wilkin game at Leeds. Remember wheeler at Wigan? Wheeler was on fire St Wigan. Wheeler had his best game shiner wigan. Wigan targeted wheeler because he was running rings around Wigan.

Was that the only game he played?

Looks like Leeds are likely to be without Kylie L (sp) being replaced with Ali.

I thought he was very good in the game against Warrington but ali has great off load game which always troubles us.

And your negative obsession with Wheeler is getting just as tedious as your previous negative obsession with Wilkin.

Nothing against wheeler as a player or a person. He's got potential to be great player but until he can string two games together and prove this potential then I'm not going to get OTT about him. I know wheeler slightly thru friends and he's the sort of player that puts weight on easy and needs 4/5 games to get match fit and I don't think he's ever put that amount of games together so is not match fit as he wasn't last week.

I'd love to sit and discuss this with you all night but I'm drunk and tired and got a very busy day of heavy drinking and watching accertain rugby game.

Good luck this weekend guys, bring it home for A-yourselves and B- Lancs.

From all at your temp. home, the WV.

P.S. Cut he bickering, pull together and bring that trophy home to this side of the hills.

Don't believe it personally.

Jes the boys did it last week against wigan. The same team will face up and do it again today. Saints fans love to fight each other. Its my least favourite part of grand final night.

Enjoy your petty squabbling no doubt with a few bears at the GF this debate will result in another innane punch up between saints fans who should know better in front of kids.

If it's true its a big bonus for us.

Light rain tonight. Should not impact too much. But those grubber kicks will need to be dealt with.

Bit OTT , I think you'll find all fans disagree on team selection. Nothing like adding a bit of drama though to a thread I suppose.

It's ok Meli is not on the wing

No but foster is