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Quote: bewareshadows "I would not play owens.
I think he needs time out.

I do believe in the rotation of the forwards, but generally for the backs I think you earn the shirt until you lose it.
For me Owens has not earned the shirt, he got it through injury and he has not shown enough to deny another player the opportunity.

I thought Dawson went off injured last week, so if he is 100% then maybe him over Peyroux as he has earned a shirt.'"


As I said, we used quite a complicated set up with Owens and SMD to give Lomax as easy a time as possible. The difference between Dawson and Owens isn't sufficient to risk that system failing and exposing Lomax - Swift is due back soon and that should be in time for Lomax to take more on.

I suspect Dawson is okay because he's been named in the 19, but I just think Peyroux could offer us more.

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Well last night was a decent set of results for Saints. A win on Sunday puts us back in the mix

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We've got to start with big Alex. He's in awful form since coming off the bench most weeks. Imo he's a starting prop.

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Quote: St pete "We've got to start with big Alex. He's in awful form since coming off the bench most weeks. Imo he's a starting prop.'"


I think he needs a week off more than a starting shirt.

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He has had no pre-season due to his injury, so maybe a week off would do him good.

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Quote: bewareshadows "He has had no pre-season due to his injury, so maybe a week off would do him good.'"


We are now in may. I'm sure he'd be match fit by now. I don't think he's happy at the moment.

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Quote: St pete "We are now in may. I'm sure he'd be match fit by now. I don't think he's happy at the moment.'"


Doesn't sound like it? (Sketchy source I know!) www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby-league ... -St-Helens

Fitness is a major problem at the moment, if Thompson is fit, a few weeks off could be the solution for a mini pre season on his own
Quote: St pete "We are now in may. I'm sure he'd be match fit by now. I don't think he's happy at the moment.'"


Doesn't sound like it? (Sketchy source I know!) www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby-league ... -St-Helens

Fitness is a major problem at the moment, if Thompson is fit, a few weeks off could be the solution for a mini pre season on his own


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I'm sure being fit is likely.
(I'm not a training expert)

But I'd have thought you build up muscle mass in preseason etc which can be caught up during the season.

I recall when I used to go to friendlies that the players always looked bigger due to lots of weight training in pre season.

Players who miss pre season due to injury or internationals do tend to struggle more the following season, but maybe that's just my mind fooling me.

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Quote: bewareshadows "I'm sure being fit is likely.
(I'm not a training expert)

But I'd have thought you build up muscle mass in preseason etc which can be caught up during the season.

I recall when I used to go to friendlies that the players always looked bigger due to lots of weight training in pre season.

Players who miss pre season due to injury or internationals do tend to struggle more the following season, but maybe that's just my mind fooling me.'"


It's very very difficult to gain mass and strength during the season, because you can't really train as hard with the weights if your first 1-2 days of the week are recovering for a game and then you can't do much towards the end of the week because of the game coming up.

There's also a study that has come out recently on Super League players (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27075963) which shows for every additional 10 pre-season sessions participated in, the chance of injury is 17% lower. Missing a pre-season can be huge for a player.
Quote: bewareshadows "I'm sure being fit is likely.
(I'm not a training expert)

But I'd have thought you build up muscle mass in preseason etc which can be caught up during the season.

I recall when I used to go to friendlies that the players always looked bigger due to lots of weight training in pre season.

Players who miss pre season due to injury or internationals do tend to struggle more the following season, but maybe that's just my mind fooling me.'"


It's very very difficult to gain mass and strength during the season, because you can't really train as hard with the weights if your first 1-2 days of the week are recovering for a game and then you can't do much towards the end of the week because of the game coming up.

There's also a study that has come out recently on Super League players (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27075963) which shows for every additional 10 pre-season sessions participated in, the chance of injury is 17% lower. Missing a pre-season can be huge for a player.


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Defenses on top. Tries just from kicks.

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Quote: bewareshadows "Defenses on top. Tries just from kicks.'"


Some good interplay between Walsh/Fages/Lomax, are we going to see some more creative game plan from now on. Walsh has has stepped up his game pro Easter period.

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Two wins and the boards fall silent.

Need another loss quickly to enthuse the fans.

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Is everyone on holiday who used to post on here?

Or have most people migrated to RedVee?

Hardly anything has been posted about yesterday's winning match or much else.
I know for example that Widnes supporters don't really use the RL Fans site and they have their own fan site. Is this just a general drift way to fan sites? Is it to avoid trolls?

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Quote: saint at wire "Is everyone on holiday who used to post on here?

Or have most people migrated to RedVee?

Hardly anything has been posted about yesterday's winning match or much else.
I know for example that Widnes supporters don't really use the RL Fans site and they have their own fan site. Is this just a general drift way to fan sites? Is it to avoid trolls?'"



Quiet day on redvee too.
Combination of it being a win, small away game, low expectations of cas, it's a bank holiday weekend,
People just got better things to do, and it runs against the current online narrative of all is bad, we will struggle to make top 8 never mind top 4 and everything Cunningham does must be wrong.

Just wait till we lose then people will have the motivation.

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