Don,t think this will work though we need a good team structure and game plan. Playing the way that suits the players hasn,t worked we have ended up with lots of individual players doing there own thing with lots of one man rugby and unintelligent play. I don,t think the team needs to find its own identity, its already in the Saints DNA, but we seem to be hell bent on changing it. We tried a similar thing in 1982 and that didn,t work either.
Look at Warrington, Smith was a great admirer of the Saints Way of play and to a certain extent has emulated it with great attacking plays very similar to how we use to be, add the right attitude and that is a recipe for a successful side.
We have lost all stability and approach to how the game should be played, 5 years of experimentation trying to fit square pegs in round holes is enough.

I get what your saying and agree but this team can not play expansive rugby, its not good enough.

Tony smith is blessed to have a chairmen that has ambition and will back him with transfers.

Wasn't that the one where he awarded Hull KR a penalty for offside and not a drop out. He awarded the penalty and then Dobson politely reminded the referee that we'd crossed the line for a try??

Does Stirlingshire Saints ever frequent these boards anymore? Think I asked the same question last time after the cup game, he famously said everytime HKR would beat Saints he would bare his Iestyn 'Arris' on the town hall steps.

Can't beat characters like that.

16-8 penalty count too, unbelievable.

Something like that, I don't know what he was doing but certainly changed his decision.

But I think to a certain extent we could improve it quite easily. Our attack is flat as a pancake most of the time which means a defence with good line speed is in our faces after 2 passes. Our ruck speed is probably the slowest in the league due to our attitude of surrendering at the tackle giving the defence lots of time to get set.

Our support play is atrocious, don,t know if this is the problem of lazy attitude or inability to read the game but we have plenty of players who create half breaks in Roby, Wilkin, Walmsley, Manu, Soliola with no backs to follow up an offload, this happens quite a lot in most games.

We,ve had a couple of games were we have solved the above problems but can,t mentally sustain it for more than 40 mins in a game.

Until we get the right structures and game plans of some sort we will not be able to control a game, I remember Daniel Anderson critical of the team when we went away from his game plan for a 5 minutes out of the 80 mins Times have changed we only have a game plan for 5 mins out of the 80 mins.

I've already made that call and it saddens me as I've been a season ticket holder for a long time, we've been pretty terrible to watch since Potter took over (we were a bit easier on the eye for some of Simmons time) and I just dont enjoy the games enough to justify the outlay. I'll just be picking and choosing my games next year based on how the money is, how the weather is and if we have a team that look like they can be d.

I was only 3 year old in 82 so I dont remember it but I see were your coming from. I used to turn up watching saints in the 80's and early 90's not expecting a win but always hopeful of one and one way or another we normally put on a show .

I used to be in a minority at school in Ashton , it was dominated by goon fans but even though they were successful I was never jealous or regretted my decision to be a Saints fan rather than choosing the dark side because I always saw Wigan (I saw them lots as I used to get free tickets) as more of a machine , very methodical , very precise , steamrollering sides full of part timers .. all that and somehow dull where as Saints were like the Brazil of Rugby (brilliant or terrible) to Wigan's Germany ...

It may be my memory but I always seem to remember us having a flair about us that coaches like say Potter just could never grasp. I wonder if Brown can?

Jeez, giving up season tickets after a poor year. I seem to remember the threat of relegation, and them being really bad, bringing Wigan fans together to support the team and us mocking them for it...

I'm thinking of not renewing because I'm not enjoying it anymore and not because we are losing. I'm bored stiff every week.

Its not the losing but the lack of attitude and pride in the shirt which I don't like. I just don't know how long I can keep watching the bore fest with a bunch of over paid half hearted team.

Its got to the point that I enjoy watching the kids rugby at halftime more than the actual game.

Yeah he will probably offer them all new deals.

The problem is this as I see it. I will watch Saints home and away I went to the Salford home game a week after coming out of Hospital following pretty major surgery, just because I am daft and I love the club and the game. I am one of the many perhaps six thousand who will always go. I bought my wife and daughter season tickets for the family stand when Langtree opened, my daughter has had the fantastic mascot package with Robes and it is a fantastic deal. However they are now just getting a touch cheesed off with the season as they see it "always seems cold Saints are awful only Lomax and Robes any good" I want to renew for them but your floaters need more than they are getting that is a fact. I believe the club are forming a fans group, but you know some of those will be internet warriors who don't even go they just support Hattons Solicitors!