That's a silly argument. As posted above many players come up through the ranks in one position only to find that they are either (a)!unsuited to it at the top level or (b) better somewhere else. If Lomax was a SO he'd at least have been given a run there. It's as obvious as Wellens never being a top flight scrum half was.

My view remains unchanged. Great talent. Not a half back.

We'll agree to disagree then!

If Lomax isn't tactically astute enough to play seven he'll struggle at six, which is arguably an even more challenging role. Besides, what relevant attributes (other than a good step) does he have over Gaskell? Perhaps he's quicker over the first ten yards. But he's certainly not over the remaining eighty. His kicking game is vastly inferior and he doesn't possess anywhere close to Gaskell's leg strength. I suppose you could argue he's stronger although only because he's eighteen months ahead in terms of physical development.

You only need look at side-by-side shots of Gaskell and Lomax attacking the line at first or second receiver to realise which player of the two has greater spatial awareness. Lee can track three or four different play options and usually picks out the optimum choice. It's not that Lomax can't execute a play. I just feel that when the defence anticipates such and gears up to smash it he finds it difficult to think creatively and come up with a solution.

This is not to say I think Jonny is an inferior player. The problem is his talents are better suited to another position - just as Gaskell would be completely useless at prop.

And he was a bloody awful one, too.

Jamie Lyon and Matt Gidley were 6's up til senior level. Junior levels are nearly meaningless

Players will move on and positions will become available. Even though Roby has signed a long deal I think Australian clubs will come calling again in the near future.

You have got to be kidding. If he gets it right 1 in 4 or 5 I'd be surprised. His decision making is woeful, end of.

Either that or the kind of skill needed in the halves creates very good centres, fullbacks and hookers (Robes played in the halves at one point I believe).

So you're saying the guy who pretty much ran our attack for much of last season - a season in which we defied all expectation and ended up being one game away from the SL title - had a success rate of ONE in FIVE?

Or is this just wishful thinking?

Seriously, I'm not sure even you can believe that, it's a Stevo type stat just pulled from thin air because it suits, but has no bearing on reality.

I think that's true. Very often the best player in a youth team gets played in the halves as it means he get his hands on the ball a lot - at that level it doesn't matter so much if he isn't a particularly natural ball player, but it usually stands out once they move up. Jason Robinson is another example that springs to mind.

Personally I think that what's 'killing' Lomax isn't so much playing in the halves but playing there effectively on his own. With a good ball-playing half back partner I think he'd make a good job of it. He does pick out some really nice passes close to the defensive line, but his main weakness seems to me to be that he tends to crumble on the last tackle. That's something that should improve with experience, and some help from a cooler headed partner, though. I'm not entirely averse to the idea of playing him at hooker, but I think I'd prefer him to be on the pitch for 80 mins.

As it stands the best candidate for the other half back spot is quite clearly Gaskell. I can't say I agree with Top Saint about him - he looks like proper creative stand off in the making to me. Of course he takes the wrong option now and then, but he's a young kid and is bound to do that when the pressure is on. It's not the ideal partnership yet, but it's certainly preferable to what we're going with at the moment.

What we could really do with is bringing in an experienced half back with leadership qualities, but unfortunately our iffy recruitment means that we probably won't be able to do that without alienating a very promising young player. It's a tricky situation.

I agree. He's far from the complete package in that shirt, infact, he may never convince people that that's his best suited position, but he can do a very effective job. His ability to handle the ball at the line is one that not many british lads have. The problem is that at the moment, the opposition defence does not percive us to have any threat wide of the 1st reciver position so numbers up in that area, the compounding factor is that they're right, so Lomax, at the moment, is all to often taking a well stacked defensive line on by himself.

He may not be a scrum half, but he played very well in that position last year. Better than he's playing this year even in the many games we've won.
The two biggest changes since now and then are Royce leaving and Gaskell not playing #6. I know which I think is the cause.

What frustrates me is that % play is the core of our game, with us having the top completion rate in the league (least it was t'other week), but yet we seem happy to take the field without our only qulaity long range kicker. Jeez, even Oldham were better than us in that department.

In my mind, Hohaia is currently behind both Wheeler and Gaskell for the #6 shirt.

True. But I think there's another issue. Lomax is most dangerous running at tired forwards where he can use his agility, step and speed off the mark to greatest effect. Taking the ball at first or second receiver the space between him and the defence is greater than it would be if he were launching himself out of the dummy half attacking the ruck. In the case of the former defenders have just that little more time to re-adjust - in addition to the fact that he may be taking on quicker men whose speed negates the effectiveness of his own. At nine the thinking time is cut significantly. Any mistake by the defender and Lomax would be away. Furthermore, at dummy half he's far more likely to be taking on slower guys. This is why I feel if ever Jonny was made for a position it is hooker.

I should also point out that whilst Lomax's edge defence can be susceptible (usually he comes a cropper against raw speed or situations where the attack has overloaded his thinking with multiple dummy runners) his front-on tackling certainly is not. Finally, his workrate is prodigious - which is an essential requirement for any hooking candidate.

I'm not convinced by arguments in favour of him assuming the full back slot. For a start Makinson is better under the high ball, quicker and a superior tackler. I agree that Jonny would more than likely improve upon Wellens' abysmal kick returns. But I just don't think we'd be putting him in a role to which his pretty unique skills are best suited. As previously stated, Jonny needs to be [irunning at big, slow men[/i against whom his speed and power can wreak enormous damage (especially after they've just spent thirty minutes or so having their lungs turned inside out chasing Roby down). Putting him up against quicker guys in the backs just seems like a waste.



I'd put Hohaia clearly behind Gaskell. But I'm a bit mystified by Wheeler's position above him. After all, what has he DONE? Yes, we can point to the odd good game here and there. But there's certainly no demonstrable form on a consistent basis and especially at stand-off. Moreover, we can't say he's not had opportunities. It's worth noting that in one season Gaskell has proved twice the player Wheeler has been in the best part of three.

Hohaia too is a player who has done most of his work away from the halves. And yes, his form has been pretty sketchy. But at least with him we can point to the honest part of a decade in the world's premier competition. On the strength of Wheeler's contributions to Saints since his arrival I doubt he would have amassed ten first team games in the NRL.

I haven't read much of this thread but I agree with the original poster, Lomax seems to be an awesome runner of the ball very physical and athletic. Would you not consider putting him at 13 he appears to have the size and power combined with his ball running I think he could be really dangerous in that position.

Seems the men in charge dont see potential of players in different positions.

Lomax could be great at 1 or 13.
possibly even 9 with Roby at 13. Roby would be good anywhere to be honest.
Gaskell needs to be back in the team.
Hohia, I cant see where his best position could be, not sure hw would be all that good as a full back.
Wellens, Ive backed him but even I am starting to see that someone like Makinson needs that spot.
Maybe Wellens at 13?
Wheeler looks to have gone backwards and I dont know enough of him to know where his best position is but its not looking like centre, and why jones never kept his spot is beyond me.
If Shenton is injured maybe this is the time for Jones to cement his spot.