You need to get off that fence and say what you really think mate

Planet KC obviously saw a different match to the 18,000 who were there"I thought we started phenomenally well - it was probably one of our best starts of the year - but there were a couple of opportunities we didn't take and one thing led to another," Cunningham said.

"We put ourselves in a bad spot in the last 15 minutes of the first half. We got on the back foot and couldn't get it back.

"Our left edge didn't help us whatsoever, we've got to make sides earn tries. We need to have a good look at what we're doing and that's my headache to solve. We've got to have stability on both sides of the field.

"Some of the tries they didn't have to earn, whereas we had to fight and scrap for everything we got so it's disappointing but we get to go again on Monday.

"I can't question the effort of the players in the second half, the guts and determination they showed to get us back into the game was brilliant but we've got to be a bit more ruthless as a team."
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I agree with most of that apart but SMD did ok ? He was dire! Them tackle attempts was like a 8yrs old kid who hasn't played rugby before. He's terrified of contact just as Quinlan was last year. If nobody makes a break then SMD might as well not play.

Nobody in the backs can Beat a man and we lack pace. The back 3 yesterday was awful and imo none are good enough. Peyroux started missing tackles now but agsin shocking with the ball. Dawson, well say no more really.

Fages did ok but KC dropped him in it from great height playing him yesterday. Luke Walsh is another that's terrified of contact.

Tasi isn't good enough, he can't break tackles, hes soft as a bag of s*it. Amor did ok and started with lower back injury so I can't see him playing Monday. Wilkin as he's been all year rubbish and another that doesn't like contact. Greenwood will be at leigh soon as he's just brittle, he's not up to the physical side of the game and not good enough. LMS did ok.

Richards isn't good enough and never will. Thomson had his worst game in a Saints shirt. Big Alex doesn't look happy. He's getting tackled easier this year and not hitting the heights of last year but still a very good player.

I nearly choked when Keiron used "PHENOMENAL" as a description of Saints in the first half? was he watching the same game? his tactics seem wrong, he does not seem right, interviewed on TV just before kick off in a stupid wooly hat, when you watch his face sat in the stand, would he inspire you? and the stupid over sized head phones, what role does Sean Long play I wonder?

Someone says that Wigan were bad, well I feel their young players put 200% more effort in, there seems little style with Saints play as I said after the match the only tactic is kicking high into the corner, so many players seem flat, some of the forwards go to the ground in tackles like a bag of potatoes, something is wrong, some of the wins have not been the best, neither was last season if we are truthful.

We really need a couple of hammerings in the next couple of games starting with a 50-0 loss at Widnes as a blessing in disguise. We are stuck in a coaching rut, KC and his headphones are pushed forward like a set of blinkers, I just wonder how much longer McManus will allow the demise of the club to go on with nothing looking positive on the horizon.

From the way KC talks, he thinks he's some sort of coach guru and thinks he's clever.

I agree with his post match interview tho this week

Wigan are a far better Club than us from top to bottom at the moment. A very measured Chairman and a coach who has found a way to get his players to give 100% ALL the time. Wigan's playing structures are basic but effective.

We have massive issues. Massive.

Our Chairman needs to step back and learn some humility instead of coming out with his bombastic and legalistic ramblings the minute anyone dares to challenge anything. The stadium is nice - thanks Eamonn - but cut the rubbish that's playing in it and sort the place out. Starting with your CEO.

Then that sorting needs to start with getting an experienced coach in rather than the cheap option of the old boys Club. If he can't see what every other Saints fan can see then he no longer has the right to call himself a Chairman.

For me the buck stops with him and I'm tired of his arrogance.

What spoke volumes for me yesterday was the pristine white shirt of Jon Wilkin at the end of the game

He kicks so doesn't have to take tackle. Sure he's trying to get union to come in for him with all this kicking he does

Just watched the game back ov TV. Smith's try. Walsh's obstruction claim. Embarrassing.

Even then, they seemed to take an age to give it! I can understand a bit of hesitation, though, it can't possibly be that easy, can it? Watching it back again just now on Wigan TV, yes, it can!

Like NK, I wasn't confident going into the game either, but reckoned without such a dismal showing from Saints. And, to be fair, our back five were all pretty decent (Manfredi obviously especially so), and our attack is improving week on week.

I don't think I've ever been as annoyed coming out of a league match. I haven't seen us be comprehensively outplayed like that for a long time...especially by a team as forgiving as Wigan were on the day. I have no idea how they were only two scores better than us on the scoreboard!

It was a proper miserable performance all round and I'd be here all day trying to put all my thoughts in one post.

My overriding feeling is that Cunningham is on the brink. He appears to be out of his depth and it's not like he hasn't been given time. His tactics are inept, his signings not fit for purpose and his team selection/squad management has been questionable.

With a lot of players off contract at the end of this year, I don't have confidence in his ability to rebuild this squad.

A tough decision for McManus coming up I feel...

I think he'll back KC mate. That contract extension was massive. IMO that's him giving KC the nod to rebuild a team for next season and beyond. I can imagine that'll have unsettled a few of the lads as well. A few of them will know they're on their way out.

I feel that McManus will be satisfied with a top 4 finish and a decent cup run. And given that teams in the top 4 often lose a 1/3 or more of their games, this will be an achievable aim for Saints even with an inexperienced coach and a style of rugby that's on a par in entertainment value as a Sunday afternoon trip to IKEA with the missus.