We'll agree to disagree. I think if Saints' first choice 10 turn up to play then they just about get the upper hand over anybody else in the league. That clearly didn't happen tonight, but there's not much more then could have done with such a dire showing from the backs.

I think you are doing your threequartes an injustice. They speculated and probed with some return. Your pack got little change from Warrington.

We need solid, mistake-free performances from the wide-guys to beat Warrington and we didn't get them. To me that's the reason we lost first and foremost.

I will let you deduce how those penalties were conceded, relative the possession stats........

It wouldn't matter if you had Gallen, Burgess, Graham and Kasiano in the front row if a team is so completely obsessed with completing sets that the opposition know whats coming- first reciever drive. Almost EVERY time, the other time just have to wedge the middle shut.

Whilst the kicking game didn't help, these tactics will beat the lesser teams but not the better ones unless they have an off day.

apart from that second try we scored there isn't one move in this team
barge...barge...barge...and the lack of speed is concerning.
forget this season and see what brown and the new signings bring next year.

Maybe you had to be at the game to see why we lost.

Warrington were much the better side throughout the 80 minutes, a 10 point defeat flattered us.

The only worry if I was a Wire fan is why they didn't rack up a cricket score against such an inept Saints performance.

I know why we lost - we're utterly one-dimensional and predictable with no functioning halves, an inexperienced mistake-prone 3/4 line and no kicking game at all. Match our forwards with a good backline as happened tonight and we're completely buggered. We [ican[/i still win the big games given the basic quality of our pack, and could [imaybe[/i still have done so tonight without the gifts from our backs, but we need the forwards to all be on top form and for the backs to stay solid in defence to be able to do so. It may just be a case of putting this season behind us and seeing what Brown can do next year at this point, but we're still in with a shout.

Good lord

Because your defence was nowhere near as bad as your attack.

Oh, I don't know... It was pretty damn shocking. I was worried when I realised that Soliola wasn't named in the team as I knew we'd miss his aggression. That was true but he wouldn't have changed much! Horrible performance. BOTH wingers having a nightmare... That doesn't come along very often and you're pretty much stuffed if it does. Took a Widnes fan to the game and even he noticed that we have a half back afraid to pass! He only half jokingly suggested that they wouldn't even take Lance Hohaia at Widnes!

I'm not sure we managed to successfully defend and turn over a full set on our line. Either Wire scored, had a try disallowed or made an error. I could be wrong but I don't remember a set being fully played out and turned over when Wire were attacking. Very alarming that our goal line defence was so bad.

we had no pens till about the 30 minute mark.