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| Quote: Allez "What??
Let me put it this way. If you had a young child who idolised a player and said player was caught taking rcreational drugs; without redress from the authorities, would you then be happy for your young child to believe that taking these things was acceptable?
In my opinion, any player, from ANY Club (ours included) should be banned for a far greater period than the mandatory 2 years. Behaviours don't change without significant consequences.'"
I have a child who idolises Ricky Hatton for instance, and I was mortified to see the pictures of him in NOTW.
I've left him in no doubt it's wrong, but explained the pressures sportsmen come under, and the temptations that they face. I just don't understand that a silly mistake you can make when you've had a few beers can cost you so much, when in any other walk of life it doesn't. If they get caught once, they need help, if they continue to do it after receiving such help, in the long run, their performances will suffer and they will become a liability and no club would touch them.
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| Quote: Mugwump "There is very little common ground between the fixed contracts that exist in sport and all others. The EU has already stated it regards sport and the contracts that exist within sport as a special case. It's the reason they didn't come down heavy ten years ago and effectively remodel all sport into something unrecognisable.'"
And the point is?
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| Quote: Saint Simon "I can see where they're coming from with the argument, and if there has been a precedent set, its hard to ignore, but personally i think his 2 year ban should include training as well, or we'll just creep to a point where any banned player will just train alongside his "teammates" for the duration of their ban.
We need to make sure young players (and fans) know this behaviour is unacceptable and it will ruin your life and your career.'"
Well it clearly hasnt ruined his .....
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Well it clearly hasnt ruined his .....'"
It's cost him two years of his career, and brought shame upon himself, and his family.
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| Quote: jonnythesaint "And the point is?'"
If you don't understand it by now I'm wasting my time explaining any further.
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| Quote: Mugwump "The reason is simple
Maybe they shouldn't work bank holidays and be allowed to take holidays whenever!
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Well it clearly hasnt ruined his .....'"
It'll have cost him somewhere between £300K and £500K.
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| Shows the absolute lack of morality still exists at wigan. In days gone by it was buying the title at the sports detriment now its employing drunks and drug addicts. They should have sacked Hock bbut they didn't and now they will happily play him again with a big 'he's back's fanfare. I would be ashamed if Saints behaved like this. Wigan have no class. They can't even abide by the rules of his ban without trying to get special treatment.
Scum.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "It'll have cost him somewhere between £300K and £500K.'"
I was about to post something similar. Hock's next contract would have been way north of 100k, wigan arnt daft he'll be playing for them again, but if he's on much more than £30k i'd be astonished.
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| Quote: jonnythesaint "I don't understand why sport is possibly the only profession where if you get caught taking recreational drugs, you're barred from earning a living in said profession. '"
Its' not unique. Where I work, if any member of staff is found to be using drugs or alcohol then they are fired. There is regular drug and alcohol testing for that purpose, and that includes staff not directly involved in the use of machinery. There are many jobs in which the use of narcotics or alcohol results in danger to others and therefore they should not be tolerated within the workforce. That is the case with sport. Sport also has the added feature that when an athelete uses performance enhancing drugs they are cheating. So either you're a cheat or a danger to others. And then, of course, it is actually [iillegal[/i to use recreational drugs, although God knows who gives a damn these days regardless of the human wreckage they cause. But that's another argument.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Shows the absolute lack of morality still exists at wigan. In days gone by it was buying the title at the sports detriment now its employing drunks and drug addicts. They should have sacked Hock bbut they didn't and now they will happily play him again with a big 'he's back's fanfare. I would be ashamed if Saints behaved like this. Wigan have no class. They can't even abide by the rules of his ban without trying to get special treatment.
Scum.'"
To be fair they do want some acts to go punished, they wanted Danny Mcguires Career over when he held back George Carmont that time....
and I cant Wait for Phil Clarkes first comments on Hock...
"D'you know Eddie what people dont know is just how difficult it is to come back from a Drugs Ban and this Wigan team under Michael Maguire seem to do it better than Anybody else..........lets look at a couple of examples......"
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Its' not unique. Where I work, if any member of staff is found to be using drugs or alcohol then they are fired. There is regular drug and alcohol testing for that purpose, and that includes staff not directly involved in the use of machinery. There are many jobs in which the use of narcotics or alcohol results in danger to others and therefore they should not be tolerated within the workforce. That is the case with sport. Sport also has the added feature that when an athelete uses performance enhancing drugs they are cheating. So either you're a cheat or a danger to others. And then, of course, it is actually [iillegal[/i to use recreational drugs, although God knows who gives a damn these days regardless of the human wreckage they cause. But that's another argument.'"
Just as a matter of interest, what do you do?
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| Quote: Mugwump "If you don't understand it by now I'm wasting my time explaining any further.'"
I understand what you're saying, what I'm failing to see is how it backs up you're original point, and my answer to it.
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| Quote: jonnythesaint "It's cost him two years of his career, and brought shame upon himself, and his family.'"
Maybe , or maybe because of the break he will just play on longer at a higher level. As for the shame side of things it wasnt a bright thing to do but at least he's not a cheat. Plenty people in plenty walks of life take recreational drugs and tbh it's at there own risk so I'm not really that bothered, taking performance enhancers is a different matter though.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "Maybe , or maybe because of the break he will just play on longer at a higher level. As for the shame side of things it wasnt a bright thing to do but at least he's not a cheat. Plenty people in plenty walks of life take recreational drugs and tbh it's at there own risk so I'm not really that bothered, taking performance enhancers is a different matter though.'"
Cocaine is classed as a performance enhancing drug by WADA, and it is of course illegal.
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