I agree. But that's not the same thing as not giving a toss.

I do my think people understand that the game has moved on from the 80s. The days of throwing tea around the changing rooms and coaches getting worked into a crazy frenzy before games are gone.

It's down to the player to get himself up for it. I can understand playing London at home is hard to motivate yourself but in games like Good Friday, Easter Monday (derby games), Leeds away in the cup is down to players to self motivate, if they can't get motivated for those types game then

A) they shouldn't be playing the game.

B) they have no pride or passion for the club.

I don't think anyone wants him to do that.

He can't make plsyers be aggressive. It's in the player to be aggressive. We don't have aggressive players. I'd love to play against this saints team as I know I could run around the park with no danger of being hit with a big shot or hit off the ball.

Honestly, we are a joy to play against!

To some extent, I think you're right. The days of people like Murphy tearing strips off players on a weekly basis are gone, and for good reason; if your coach screams and shouts every week then soon it just becomes white noise.

However, I think you're letting Brown off the hook way too easily. A coach has to establish a culture at a club that leads to players wanting to fight for each other. That's not just about the pre-match team talk, but about the standards that are set from day to day. You only had to see Wigan's players being greeted off the pitch by Wane on Saturday to see that there is a proud and thriving culture at that club with a strong coach at its head. Unfortunately I just don't think we have the same thing going at Saints.

Exactly.

Look at Powell at Cas. He's taken them from relegation to top 4 by changing the culture at that club. Players desperate to play for each other running through brick walls to do so. Under Millward they were awful.

All players have it in them. It's about creating the conditions for the players to excel and to play as a cohesive unit.

You could say that Brown had is one win from top of league as well.

I think Brown has to shoulder some of the blame but if players can't motivate themselves for a saints v Wigan derby at a magic weekend with all of rugby league watching then these players have problems.

We played Warrington today, not Wigan.

Yep. One Cas player - was it Shenton? I think it was - when interviewed said also that Powell had raised the standard there too. They paid great attention to detail on all aspects of their game.

I think it's pretty obvious I made a mistake and pretty easy to guess I mean Warrington. Unless you think I'm talking about the hammering a we've had off Wigan at magic in recent years.

We be playing Wakefield next year so it's a even game for sky to show.

Yeah, but we didn't win. And soon we won't be in second.

get real the whole team played rubbish with no passion stop picking on lms and turner all the time . If your going to lay blame there were 17 players in total playing not two who you keep digging at

LMS plays rubbish all the time though, except against teams at the bottom of the league and that's why he gets 'picked on'. Turner has fallen to pieces since the start of the season, keeps talking about playing better but doesn't play better.

Comments im reading are unable to motivate the players, tinkering.

I wont refer you to my post when Brown joined Saints and I said all this, but was told it was cos he was coaching a poor team at Huddersfield.

Nathan Brown has a poor reputation imo. He lost the dressing room in Australia and he lost the dressing room at Huddersdfield.

His win loss ratio isn't all that good and think a few Saints fans are beginning to realise what iv'e always said, he aint as good as a few make out he is.

How much more time would you guys like to see him given and if he does go who would you like to come in to replace him?

You talk rubbish all the time on here . You clearly don't like certain players at saints. What did Johnny L , swift, Makinson , Sia do Sunday . They did nothing . We had a terrible game. It's over now remember we beat Wire earlier in the year . Saints need to forget about this and move forwards and prepare for Friday