He was also big and the reports often had him scoring from high kicks. He must have had some serious holes in his game to detract from his plus points.

To be honest ,Wing is probably the one position that you can get through on natural ability and speed, theres probbaly less coaching goes into 'producing' a winger than any other position...Martin Offiah being the obvious example

It might help if he got some bloody ball. Saints aren't exactly great at setting the right hand wingers free at present are they?

A sign of a lack of confidence in Shenton perhaps? The ball isn't going down that side at all.

i think its more to do with J-Lo and Lance only passing the ball one way

Absolutely they were which was just the point I was making - they're the same people who think Makinson is a better winger than Meli generally. Somehow the eye-rolling smiley doesn't even begin to cover it.

Les and Roy Mathias, top quality wingers from my youth

back in the "olden days" a winger could get through on pace alone, nowadays wingers are expected to do the hard work of a forward and be a defensive rock. Kevin Penny couldn't forge a career on pace alone.

Offiah would be a liability in the current era.

What was offiah like under the high balls?

I remember Sheffield taking advatage of Robinson's lack of stature under the high ball in the CC Final in 98. Would he be peppered these days?

Meli has plenty of detractors because of the gaffs he makes, but Sully was just as guilty of that sort of things.

If not more so.

No one has ever been as bad as Francis Meli in terms of mistakes made. Nathan Graham cost Bradford a Challenge Cup Final with his inability to catch a rugby ball, but even that pales in comparison to Meli's record of losing us 3 Grand Finals.

Did Sullivan have a major hand in gifting 3 Grand Finals / Cup Finals to the opposition?

There is a big difference though. Meli is playing in our present team and his gaffs have actively helped us to lose not just one GF but a few of them. Sully is no longer playing for Saints and so does it really matter anymore what he did?

What's that got to do with him making numerous gaffes in defence? Are you saying he didn't?

Does it matter? I don't reckon much that's posted on this board matters.

My point was regarding that 15 years ago, a winger's error count was secondary to is attacking ability. Now its not. Hence Sully being remebered a club hero and Meli being blamed by many for losing us whole titles.