I'm not convinced we played well for the first 20. We played in front of of the Wigan defence and chucked a few moves about ,switching the ball like a school boy team who has just learnt a new move. From the Wigan perspective , it was very simple to defend against . All things are relative, and in relation to how we have been playing , it looked encouraging but in truth is was nothing more than average . I agree with you, Kieron is not ready to coach , the players are clearly unsettled and looking lost. I am a great believer that a good coach can stimulate even the most mediocre squad to perform and play basic rugby . Saints can't even do that . Kieron must go. God help us on Monday .

He kicks so doesn't have to take tackle. Sure he's trying to get union to come in for him with all this kicking he does

Just watched the game back ov TV. Smith's try. Walsh's obstruction claim. Embarrassing.

Even then, they seemed to take an age to give it! I can understand a bit of hesitation, though, it can't possibly be that easy, can it? Watching it back again just now on Wigan TV, yes, it can!

Like NK, I wasn't confident going into the game either, but reckoned without such a dismal showing from Saints. And, to be fair, our back five were all pretty decent (Manfredi obviously especially so), and our attack is improving week on week.

I don't think I've ever been as annoyed coming out of a league match. I haven't seen us be comprehensively outplayed like that for a long time...especially by a team as forgiving as Wigan were on the day. I have no idea how they were only two scores better than us on the scoreboard!

It was a proper miserable performance all round and I'd be here all day trying to put all my thoughts in one post.

My overriding feeling is that Cunningham is on the brink. He appears to be out of his depth and it's not like he hasn't been given time. His tactics are inept, his signings not fit for purpose and his team selection/squad management has been questionable.

With a lot of players off contract at the end of this year, I don't have confidence in his ability to rebuild this squad.

A tough decision for McManus coming up I feel...

I think he'll back KC mate. That contract extension was massive. IMO that's him giving KC the nod to rebuild a team for next season and beyond. I can imagine that'll have unsettled a few of the lads as well. A few of them will know they're on their way out.

I feel that McManus will be satisfied with a top 4 finish and a decent cup run. And given that teams in the top 4 often lose a 1/3 or more of their games, this will be an achievable aim for Saints even with an inexperienced coach and a style of rugby that's on a par in entertainment value as a Sunday afternoon trip to IKEA with the missus.