And the frustrating thing is it hasn't got any better as the season has gone on. Wilkin's bombs more often than not go behind him because he connects with the ball past 90 degrees, Hohaia plays aussie rules with the full back and winger and Lomax doesn't drive the ball he floats it. I often wonder if the staff actually spend and time working on this with the players because it's the same week in week out. Kicking is vital in rugby and it's a skill that is so obviously lacking in this saints side.

We got away with our prop recruitment with Graham in the team but since as far back as Anderson left we always been short.

Now we've lost our go forward in big games as well.

There are certain position where we are well stacked in the squad - back row, full back and wing and we either keep recruiting or renewing contacts in these positions.

I think we need an experienced 7 and two props - an experienced prop ( not a converted back row) and a young prop talent.

Hoahia should be moved to Full back, Gaskell in at 6 Lomax is the utility back for now with Wheeler and Makinson in the mix.

If Hohaia cant do it next year pretty sure we could unload him back to the NRL with Makinson or Lomax stepping up at 1.

To fund it we should have some cap space already but we would definately have to let wello go, dixon and probably Meli who we would miss.

Our squad of players have been in decline as far as quality goes for the past 5 years. Positions 1, 6,7, 9 and 13 pivots are much weaker in skill and execution, even Roby struggles against the likes of Wigan and Warrington.
We have stagnated with the development of the younger players, Lomax, Gaskell, Makinson and now Jones have not really moved up to that next level.
If you select the present players who could make the necessary standard for success only Soliola and Roby would be in that team.

That decline has sadly been inevitable. I still wonder exactly where on earth people expect we could have replaced Long, Scully, KC, Lyon, Albert, Gidley, Pryce, Joynt, prime Wello et al from given that almost every single player of that calibre there is is either at the end of their career or just simply not available to SL clubs anymore. I find myself going on like a cracked record again, but in real comparative terms we're maybe just 3 or 4 players away from being able to be on about the same level of competitiveness as the 2006 side (players that aren't on the market unfortunately). Whatever the truth is about our spending, ambition and recruitment since then, we could have spent 20 million quid on signings and still not be a patch on that side because that quality of player just doesn't exist at the moment in the British game.

And I think you're being more than a little harsh on Jones to be frank - as an 18 year old kid playing outside of Hohaia under Rush's tactics he's done extraordinarily well. Makinson may be mirroring Foster's decline more and more with every passing game, but he's also done pretty well this season considering.

I,m hoping Brown can develop these two players very quickly, I reckon Josh Jones will be a fantastic player reminds me of a young Billy Benyon.
Makinson has not improved much from last season and the problem is because he is stook out on the wing with very little quality service.
The club gives me the impression that Wello and Lance are nailed on for there position no matter how bad they play at the expense of younger player development.

Josh Jones has been the player who has really impressed me this year, hardly anyone had heard of the lad before we played Warrington away. He's a big strong lad in defence and even though its been questionned about other aspects of his game, he always makes good yards and has a brilliant fend.

As regards to players sticking to postions down to being a big name, i think that trend will stick untill next year but IMO i dont think Brown will put up with that he gives me the impression you play where i say and that's final. Ever since he was annouced as the new coach i've been looking forward to see what he can do with a Saints team that lacks creativity.