I had no problems with the refereeing, reminded much of an origin/international/NRL game, much more defense orientated and I'd rather the ref give the players an extra second in the ruck than blow for 15-20 pens every night. I agree with most that the half backs were very poor, but I don't think you can blame either really, Sinfield is'nt a stand off and may organise things okish but is by no means someone who can unlock a defense let alone a good one and Myler's game is all about support play essentially an extra full back but the coaching team should know this and can only blame themselves for picking them togather. If you was to pick a team for the 4 nations on last night performances, I think there would be a few people missing out, but as we all know international teams are never picked solely on form, apparently reputation and past triumphs mean a lot to the boys at the top!

McIlorum played? I only had half an eye on the game and having missed the line ups, honestly did not notice him at all.

Well that shows how poor our game is to be honest, you can say we had players missing, but the exiles could of selected a few more quality players king, the monaghans, Webb off the top of my head. Thought the forwards did well, but the half backs were none existent, dispels any comments about rangi Chase not being a quality player. Myler is a support player, but if you're not making breaks, he's useless. Tomkins made a few tackles on his own line keeping them in the match. The outside backs were given nothing to work with, shenton or bridge got nothing to work with all night.

Forwards did okay, tackled well and took the ball up, but again little creativity from them.

I'd like to be optimistic, but as already mentioned other than leuluai none of the exiles would make their international (nz or Australia) but more worrying if English Chase, leuluai, tp and buderus would all make the England team.

We're as far behind now as we've ever been

You could tell when he was on because we lost what little impetus we had going forward. Its hardly surprising as he's not even the best hooker at Wigan.

What was wrong with the timing? Friday afternoon early summer, plenty of time to assess the performance and tweak before the winter.