Off topic
But why is Foster getting 10min at the end of games I feel and this is only my opinion but last night when he came on we looked more dangerous that at any other time and against wire at end of game he was givin his all he just seems to bring us some energy which is more than can be said for the rest of em!

We trudged back out for 2nd half looking like the couldn't be d while quins all jogged back out up for it and looked like athletes. We looked like we wanted to go home.

Not happy!

I think the problem is that he hasn't (SO FAR) brought either.

Do captains automatically mean leaders? I was doubtful about Wello being a captain, if the two do equate, because I don't think he's a leader. He works very hard in organising the defence, always has, but organisational ability and leadership ability are not necessarily the same thing. Jammer does have leadership qualities but he is still undermined by his tendency to meltdown. And he is only on the pitch a limited time anyway. What I am thinking of is a natural leader, someone who can inspire from the front or calm things down or offer suggestions about how to fix something. Maybe I am out of touch or mistaking the qualities of a leader in a rugby league context, but that is what I am thinking of when I think of a leader. Someone who can take control. I don't see that on the pitch without Cunningham and Pryce.

Jammer was given the Englans captaincy. In fact, I belive he's captained many sides through his development (youth saints and england teams). He must have some of the right qualities, mustn't he?

He captained the England youth team once, yes. Other than standing in for about half a dozen injured players in the Four Nations, I don't know whether he has been captain aside from that? Anyway, I did say that Jammer does have leadership qualities, but that his tendency to blow up undermines that. Plus the fact that he isn't on the pitch all the time. Mind you, nor was Cunningham.

If they don't then they are a poor choice for captain. A captain is there to inspire his teammates, by whatever means.



Fair enough.




No, you are correct, they aren't.



I'm not sure Pryce is that much of a leader.