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Some years ago (1980 to be exact) I was given a book called something like "The history of Rock 'n' Roll)

I loved the book and although I no longer have it I remember it well. Basically it listed in yearsish order the 30 most important acts in the history of Rock 'n' Roll.

What fascinates me is how that book would look now given Rock 'n' Roll is now 60 not 30 years old and who would be added and who would be removed.

So as a starter I will list the bands and artist who were in it who I suspect we will all pretty much agree should stay. I will also name some of the acts who were in it but IMHO no longer would be.

So the IMHO the must have starting 17 - Bill Haley, Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, The Who, The Kinks, Marvin Gay, Stevie Wonder, The Doors, Hendrix, Led Zeplin, Bowie, Sex Pistols. The Pistols is interesting because the book was published in 1978 so they must have just snook in

That leaves 13, but to make it a bit more realistic due to the timespan we'll make it 40 which leaves 23.

Some that were in the book that probably no longer hit the mark - great though many of them were are. Gene Vincent, Fats Domino, The Lovin Spoonful, Crosby Stlls and Nash, The Hollies, Jetro Tull, Donovan, Velvet Underground, Slade, Otis Redding, Rick Wakeman and ELP.

Not sure I have all the bands correct or the numbers but you get the idea, so keeping the starting 17 please ad another 23 and make your list.

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The Smiths, U2, Madonna, Oasis, Blur, Simple Minds, Michael Jackson, Duran Duran, Spice Girls, Coldplay, Radiohead, George Michael ( Can't stand him but he would have to be included ) Queen, ELO, Phil Collins or Genesis, Rod Stewart, Elton John, Bryan Adams, Abba, Slade ( I would include for their 70's impact )Fleetwood Mac, Tom Petty and Roy Orbison.
It's difficult to name just 23 so I've tried to pick a mixture of impact artists, enduring artists and a few of my personal favourites.

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Well I disagree with some of those in the 'we all agree on' category. I'd have Muddy Waters, BB King, or Howlin Wolf in there before Buddy Holy, I think a case could also be made for James Brown or Little Richard to be included.
I'd say Cream, Black Sabbath or Iggy and the Stooges should be in before The Kinks or the Beach Boys. I love Marvin Gaye but I'd argue Sly and the Family Stone or Funkadelic were more important, and I also pretty certain the Velvet Underground would be in most people's list too.
Finally, the Ramones or The Clash should be included over the Sex Pistols IMO.

My other 23 would be:
Kraftwerk, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Van Halen, Slayer, Guns and Roses, Run DMC, Public Enemy, Metalica, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Eric B & Rakim, Nirvana, Rage Against the Machine, Pantera, 2pac, Oasis, Radiohead, Tool, NIN, The Libertines, Eminem

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Well I disagree with some of those in the 'we all agree on' category. I'd have Muddy Waters, BB King, or Howlin Wolf in there before Buddy Holy, I think a case could also be made for James Brown or Little Richard to be included.
I'd say Cream, Black Sabbath or Iggy and the Stooges should be in before The Kinks or the Beach Boys. I love Marvin Gaye but I'd argue Sly and the Family Stone or Funkadelic were more important, and I also pretty certain the Velvet Underground would be in most people's list too.
Finally, the Ramones or The Clash should be included over the Sex Pistols IMO.

My other 23 would be

Sorry but some of your choices are ludicrous and I say that despite liking most of them. I think you clearly miss the point of the book which was historical and not just musical.

For instance the Clash were IMO vastly better and long term more successful than the Pistols I agree but in historic terms the Pistols launched Punk in the UK and without them no Clash.

Velvet Underground perhaps but to be honest IMO and it's just my opinion they are a trendy elitist band the bulk of who's work was no more worthy than Graig David or the Nolans.

Black Sabbath and the Stooges shouldn't be anywhere near the list let alone above the Kinks or the Beach Boys. There has to be an element of popularism in this like it or not, this is a history of Rock n Roll not a look how hip I am list -how many people have even heard of Tool or Nine inch nails and at what point did the Stone Roses fame get any further than these shores - lets be serious it's a history of the genre and being well known, worldwide and genuinely successful has to be part of it - we have already done our favourite bands list.

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Quote: vastman "Sorry but some of your choices are ludicrous and I say that despite liking most of them. I think you clearly miss the point of the book which was historical and not just musical.

For instance the Clash were IMO vastly better and long term more successful than the Pistols I agree but in historic terms the Pistols launched Punk in the UK and without them no Clash.

Velvet Underground perhaps but to be honest IMO and it's just my opinion they are a trendy elitist band the bulk of who's work was no more worthy than Graig David or the Nolans.

Black Sabbath and the Stooges shouldn't be anywhere near the list let alone above the Kinks or the Beach Boys. There has to be an element of popularism in this like it or not, this is a history of Rock n Roll not a look how hip I am list -how many people have even heard of Tool or Nine inch nails and at what point did the Stone Roses fame get any further than these shores - lets be serious it's a history of the genre and being well known, worldwide and genuinely successful has to be part of it - we have already done our favourite bands list.'"


I based my list on acts whom broke new ground or influenced bands to start bands. Which is why I included the Ramones and the Clash above the Pistols. I included The Stooges based on the fact that they're probably the first punk band.
I'm not a massive fan of the velvet underground but he the amount of bands that site them as a huge inspiration is very significant.

Black Sabbath pretty much invented the heavy metal, I'd bet almost every rock band since has been influenced by them. They've sold 80 million albums to if you want to brink sales into it. Also, it could be argued that every (heavy) rock band in the last 45 years has either followed the Led Zepp model of HM or the Sabbath model

I included Stone Roses and Oasis in the list, and The Libertines in the list because they were incredibly important for rock music here even though they never cracked the US.

Tool and Nine Inch Nails are extremely popular, granted you won't see them in the singles chart but both have sold 20 million albums and I'm petty sure Nine inch nails had a number 1 album her in the last year or 2.

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Black Sabbath are a must have - they gave birth to metal. I would also put The Eagles, Guns N Roses and Mettalica in there.

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I have a similar book I picked up cheap, problem for me and many of a similar age is that we cringe at what is termed " Rock and Roll ". It really only relates to music from the early fifties 'till about 1962. We can't figure how the phrase was hijacked by all kinds of hairy tattooed musicians in since, (Bit like RU folk claiming the word Rugby) I wait for the bottles to be thrown!!!

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Quote: Old Rocker "I have a similar book I picked up cheap, problem for me and many of a similar age is that we cringe at what is termed " Rock and Roll ". It really only relates to music from the early fifties 'till about 1962. We can't figure how the phrase was hijacked by all kinds of hairy tattooed musicians in since, (Bit like RU folk claiming the word Rugby) I wait for the bottles to be thrown!!!'"


No bottles being thrown from me. I agree entirely. I think of rock and roll as the stuff my dad grew up with in the 50s and early 60s. Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Eddie Cochran and the like. Some of the bands mentioned in previous replies are certainly not rock and roll. Kraftwerk?????

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I would take Metallica out, i would also add Iron Maiden, Motorhead & Grateful Dead

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Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
Brisbane
10:35
Sydney
v
Penrith
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Sun 20th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
05:00
Gold Coast
v
Canberra
07:05
Newcastle
v
Cronulla
 Mon 21st Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
10:50
Brisbane
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
07:00
Sydney
v
St.George
09:05
NZ Warriors
v
Newcastle
11:10
Melbourne
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Gold Coast
10:35
Penrith
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R8
18:00
Featherstone
v
Toulouse
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
05:00
Canberra
v
Dolphins
07:05
Wests
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R7
13:00
Cornwall
v
Keighley
14:30
Crusaders
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R8
15:00
Barrow
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
LondonB
15:00
Oldham
v
Bradford
15:00
Sheffield
v
Batley
15:00
York
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R7
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Rochdale
15:00
Newcastle
v
Goole V
15:00
Workington
v
Swinton
 Fri 2nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
09:00
Cronulla
v
Parramatta
11:05
Sydney
v
Dolphins
       League One 2025-R8
20:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
06:00
Souths
v
Newcastle
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
NQL Cowboys
10:45
Wests
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
       Championship 2025-R9
17:00
LondonB
v
York
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R9
18:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
04:50
Gold Coast
v
Canterbury
07:05
Penrith
v
Brisbane
09:25
Melbourne
v
Canberra
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
       Championship 2025-R9
15:00
Batley
v
Barrow
15:00
Bradford
v
Sheffield
15:00
Doncaster
v
Oldham
15:00
Hunslet
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 8th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
10:50
Parramatta
v
Dolphins
 Fri 9th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
09:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
11:00
Souths
v
Brisbane
 Sat 10th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
06:00
Canberra
v
Canterbury
08:30
St.George
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Penrith
       Championship 2025-R10
17:00
Oldham
v
Toulouse
 Sun 11th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
05:00
Melbourne
v
Wests
07:05
Manly
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
       Championship 2025-R10
15:00
Batley
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Doncaster
15:00
LondonB
v
Sheffield
15:00
Widnes
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Hunslet
       League One 2025-R9
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
09:00
Newcastle
v
Parramatta
11:00
Canterbury
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
06:00
Dolphins
v
NZ Warriors
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Manly
10:35
Cronulla
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
05:00
Brisbane
v
St.George
07:05
Canberra
v
Gold Coast
09:15
Wests
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
10:50
Canterbury
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
11:00
Parramatta
v
Manly
       Championship 2025-R11
19:30
Sheffield
v
Hunslet
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
08:30
Penrith
v
Newcastle
10:35
Sydney
v
Cronulla
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R11
18:00
Toulouse
v
Barrow
 Sun 25th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
07:05
NZ Warriors
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R11
15:00
Bradford
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Batley
15:00
Oldham
v
Halifax
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
11:00
St.George
v
Newcastle
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Wests
10:35
Manly
v
Brisbane
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R12
17:00
LondonB
v
Widnes
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R12
18:00
Batley
v
Toulouse
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
05:00
Souths
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Penrith
v
Parramatta
09:15
Sydney
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       Championship 2025-R12
15:00
Barrow
v
Featherstone
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Hunslet
v
Oldham
15:00
York
v
Sheffield
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Thu 5th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
10:50
Newcastle
v
Manly
 Fri 6th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
09:00
Melbourne
v
NQL Cowboys
11:00
Dolphins
v
St.George
 Sat 7th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
07:00
Canterbury
v
Parramatta
08:30
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
Brisbane
v
Gold Coast
 Sun 8th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
05:00
Canberra
v
Souths
07:05
Wests
v
Penrith
 Thu 12th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
10:50
Cronulla
v
St.George
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
11:00
Gold Coast
v
Manly
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
08:30
Newcastle
v
Sydney
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
07:05
Souths
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2025-R13
15:00
Barrow
v
Sheffield
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Bradford
v
York
15:00
Featherstone
v
Hunslet
15:00
Widnes
v
Halifax
15:00
Toulouse
v
LondonB
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
 Thu 19th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
Castleford
v
Hull KR
 Fri 20th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
11:00
Wests
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R14
19:45
Bradford
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
St.Helens
v
Leeds
20:00
Wakefield
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R14
20:00
Featherstone
v
Halifax
 Sat 21st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
06:00
NZ Warriors
v
Penrith
08:30
Dolphins
v
Newcastle
10:35
Souths
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
15:00
Warrington
v
Huddersfield
17:30
Catalans
v
Leigh
       Championship 2025-R14
18:00
Toulouse
v
Oldham
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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