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Sutcliffe has the talent but still learning centre and not a natural one. Keinhorst constantly delivers but because he wasn't tipped for big things is he slightly dismissed?

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Keinhorst should get the shirt after tonight id put Sutty on the bench as a rotation BR Delaney looked out of it & Mullally must be a doubt.

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I really like both sutcliffe and keinhorst. And I would want them both in my 13. Incredibly tough to fit them both in though. Personally I think keinhorst is a better centre than sutcliffe. He is very strong and always seems to find his way to the try line when playing there. Arguably one of our best players in 2016 in a losing team. Seems a shame his face doesn’t quite fit.

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Both are good and would be regular players anywhere below the top 4/5 clubs, Keinhorst for me has shown and does show a little more determination to get to the line, to get to the next tackle and has a bit of a better synergy with Hall.

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Quote: Joshheff90 "I really like both sutcliffe and keinhorst. And I would want them both in my 13. Incredibly tough to fit them both in though. Personally I think keinhorst is a better centre than sutcliffe. He is very strong and always seems to find his way to the try line when playing there. Arguably one of our best players in 2016 in a losing team. Seems a shame his face doesn’t quite fit.'"


I don't think it's a case that his face doesn't fit. He was doing very well before injury early last season and now it's a one on one vs Sutcliffe. Does seems he isn't deemed a 2nd row though.

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Sutcliffe for me. He was class at the backend of last season.

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I love Jimmy at centre. His attitude and commitment can't be faulted. If it wasn't for his injury last year, I'm sure he'd have the 4 on his back. Having said that Sutcliffe needs game there to develop and find out if he can be a top class player. Jimmy should defo be in the 17 though

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In my opinion Keinhorst is the classier centre as he has better footwork, makes intelligent and better running lines, and has a better defence. Sutcliffe has been solid but for me plays like a back rower in the centres and still makes too many wrong decisions.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "In my opinion Keinhorst is the classier centre as he has better footwork, makes intelligent and better running lines, and has a better defence. '"


Spot on.

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Jimmy 'The Shimmy' Keinhorst for me. Always been a fan.

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It’s a tough choice between them at centre. It’s tough to drop Keinhorst after his mom performance. Both are well ahead of Walters (who is in the WCC 19 man squad).

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stick with sutcliffe for me.he could hav another decade as our LC and needs to be left alone now to learn his trade in one position. Keinhorst has proved his value to the squad and for the foreseeable future has earned his place in any 17. his utility value and no frills graft is invaluable over a season.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "stick with sutcliffe for me.he could hav another decade as our LC and needs to be left alone now to learn his trade in one position. Keinhorst has proved his value to the squad and for the foreseeable future has earned his place in any 17. his utility value and no frills graft is invaluable over a season.'"


I think that Sutcliffe has never established himself as a first choice in any position despite being given a lot of opportunities at 6, 1, 13 and 4. He is one of those players that has never fulfilled his early promise in the same way that Ward, Walker and Golding have done. Having said that he is a more than useful squad player who can play well in several positions but not consistently well enough to claim a position as his own.

IMO he is not dynamic or creative enough on attack as a back and so I now see him as a back row forward who can fill in in several positions in the backs and as such will be a valuable member of the squad.

Keinhorst is a superior centre as he has better balance, footwork, defence and is a better reader of play shown in his lines of running and linking with his winger.

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Sutcliffe can be too much of a passenger for me. He shows some good moments and potential, but he's guilty of waiting for the game to come to him rather than actively getting himself involved. Jimmy is a grafter, and does look more silky/classy, but Sutcliffe probably has more natural ability, but needs to apply hinself more.
It's Jimmy for me at the moment.

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