push the laws of the game to the limit and beyond , Farrel , Flanders , Mckey Mac and the rest could be penalised virtually every tackle . Either Leeds or Saints will have to match them in this area to win next week . Not easy as they are masters of it . I could go through the game and point out numerous different ways they slow the tackle down when the opposition have the ball , but what they are also good at is getting quick play the balls themselves when in posesion by rolling forward or stepping forward and leaving the potential markers behind where the tackle was made .Excpect fireworks next week if Bateman put his head in players faces when tackling like he did early on tonight as Leeds or Saints will have a bit more about them than the wrongly named Giants .

It's like watching leeds without the forward passes

Think though that's a key reason why they're unbeaten at home, but have a very poor away record this year as they don't get away with it as much when away from the DW.

All teams strive to slow the ruck down, it's a vital part of defending, and Wigan have built their success around it, it's not something to complain about just because they're better at it than the majority of other teams. You know what you're going to get from them.

They also have plenty of pace which is just as threatening for them.

Just to add that I think Charnly is lucky that Joe Burgess is off to the NRL because Manfredi already looks a more complete winger, to me.

Well, neither the Saints or Leeds pack will be bullied and roll over at OT in the manner the Hudds. one did tonight.To be fair to Wigan they were being allowed to get away with these things so they would be daft to have veered away from it.

The Bateman head butting though, can't condone that and it should be reviewed, and he should be at least warned for it moving forward. It maybe how he would act on a saturday night down the town with his pals, but has no place in our game.

Yep just ask Kevin sinfield

Take a powder buddy, you talk a lot of crap.

A rugby man who talks sense you are a rare breed.

Hilarious comeback, so do i take it you back your player to the hilt for the filthy act of butting a player on the deck on a regular basis?

They are an incredibly dirty side. I wouldn't even get involved with Bateman and McIlorum. Let them crack on. They are in the team partly to annoy people, just give as good as you get. Need to watch out for O'Verated's head shots and lying on though. I'd kick them to death. Make Manfredi run it back from his own 10 and get Hall to batter him. In attack, target Smith. If we get through Saints, Sinny and Peacock won't let us lost at OT

Cunningham & graham thought that for St. Helens in 2013 but it didn't turn out to be a fairytale ending then and nor will it be next week. You are a tired team and that will be shown in its entirety next week, or maybe even tonight. If you wish to kick to manfredi I suggest you do just that

Awful s#*$house team. I would be embarrassed if I supported them.

Jesus Christ, someone give this lad a biscuit.

Is that the James Graham who left SL after 2011?