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Firstly I am a Wigan Fan but please dont hold that against me!!! I know Sinfield has been a great club player over the years and played a big part in Leeds success but I d be interested in Leeds fans view of him as an international player. To me I just don't feel he has the pace,cutting edge and X Factor to put his stamp on the game at international level - I cant remember him having a good game against either the Aussies or Kiwis but I am prepared to be enlightened by fans who watch him week in and week out. Maybe I ll be proved wrong this afternoon - hope so!

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He's had as good a game against those teams, as any other player in the squad picked as.

A world class player that when playing in a world class team (Leeds), demonstrates just how good he is.

If England play to any quality foundation, then Sinfield will be at the heart of it.

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When you look at the quality of Australia and Kiwi half backs, who else would you put at 6 & 7 for England?

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Quote: ulverstonRhino "When you look at the quality of Australia and Kiwi half backs, who else would you put at 6 & 7 for England?'"



Widdop looked garbage when he came on today. But he plays in NRL so people think he must be the answer.

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Dont think its Sinfield think Chase should not be in the team Burrows should have played and run at the line as he does for Leeds always gets a lazy defender sucked in to gain pens Chase did nothing. imho

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Quote: easthull fc fan "Dont think its Sinfield think Chase should not be in the team Burrows should have played and run at the line as he does for Leeds always gets a lazy defender sucked in to gain pens Chase did nothing. imho'"



Chase didn't have a bad game. Burrow should be no where near.

Drop Tom Burgess, Mossop, and Widdop.

Move Chase to the bench, Tomkins to the halfs, and bring Hardaker into fullback, and the spine looks better and stronger.

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Quote: easthull fc fan "Dont think its Sinfield think Chase should not be in the team Burrows should have played and run at the line as he does for Leeds always gets a lazy defender sucked in to gain pens Chase did nothing. imho'"


Burrow should deffo be on the bench at least. Chase... d040.gif

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I wold never carry a HB on the bench, a hooker and 3 forwards or 2 forwards and a utility. he played Sinfield in 2 positions against the best team (imo) in the world. its hard to play in 1. SM as got it all wrong imo.

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I'd go with McIlorum on the bench in place of Widdop, who I agree is viewed favourably by many simply because he's from the NRL. Showed nothing when he came on but still have some defending him saying he didn't have enough time. Well within the first 20mins Chase and Sinfield had combined for the first try and Sinfield put in the kick for the 2nd (both tries are being dismissed as any halfbacks could've done that) and the agenda line is "Sinfield did nothing today".
Wouldn't have Burrow, not versus the Aussies at least, think they're too good at slowing the PTB down for him to be effective in that manner (especially when our forwards get less than crisp passing from the hooker). Rather have a proper hooker interchange to keep the forwards ticking over nicely and to also not sacrifice defensive strength which would happen with Burrow coming on at dummy half.

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Can't understand criticism of the halves today. Sinfield had a very good game and so did Chase. Widdop was a waste of a bench spot IMO.
England could easily have won that game. Some naive refereeing and a few little things such as Charnley's foot in touch and some obviously milked penalties for ball steals (and the sudden noticing of forward passes by the Australian touch judge after he missed 3-4 blatant Australian examples) cost us the match.
A tremendously competitive and high quality game.

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Sinfield was as good as Cronk today. Thurston was the best half on display, but that was no surprise, he's a level above any English half and that's hardly Sinfield's fault.

Hill's offload game really bothered the Aussies. Shame Graham and maybe even Crabtree weren't available to add to that instead of Tom Burgess (who didn't look ready) and Mossop (who didn't look good enough). George Burgess looked the real deal, and thought Roby was very good too. No reason he can't play 80.

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George Burgess owned them up front. I thought Fifita would have done well off the bench but none of them were anywhere close to George Burgess. I thought Widdop did alright and we played more expansively when he came on but we were already under the pump by then. I saw nothing from Chase to suggest that he is an international half but I don't think Burrow is the answer either.

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Quote: RAFLeaguer "George Burgess owned them up front. I thought Fifita would have done well off the bench but none of them were anywhere close to George Burgess. I thought Widdop did alright and we played more expansively when he came on but we were already under the pump by then. I saw nothing from Chase to suggest that he is an international half but I don't think Burrow is the answer either.'"



You thought Widdop did all right, but Chase nothing?

Dear god, Widdop was garbage. Chase did well.

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Quote: RAFLeaguer "George Burgess owned them up front. I thought Fifita would have done well off the bench but none of them were anywhere close to George Burgess. I thought Widdop did alright and we played more expansively when he came on but we were already under the pump by then. I saw nothing from Chase to suggest that he is an international half but I don't think Burrow is the answer either.'"


Your right Burrows isnt the answer but he would have done good. the answer is the reigning man of steel but hes ing about with some part time players trying to win the RLWC!!! pfffttt waste of time..

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