Don't forget SPOTY.

And the Kiwis.

Listen to Wiliam people, he once posted this nugget of great knowledge in July 2011....

"It's a tired, over-the-hill squad at Leeds that's been in decline for several seasons. The amount of indiscipline they are exhibiting is a reaction from a squad of players who were used to winning silverware and having things their own way but no longer are. They all know this, but it's easier to whine, chelp, niggle, get penalised, blame the ref, blame anyone or anything but themselves. They are no longer fit for the purpose.

The time for sentiment is over.

Reason must prevail instead.

This squad is finished as a competitive entity and there should be no further contract renewals for any of them.

It's time to move on."

....and he was completely right......that is if you ignore the 3 GF's, 2 CC's, 1 WCC and 1 LLS which included a treble that all occured after his bold claim with the same core to the team

Honestly, he's knowledgable

While Keinhorst and Jones-Buchanan were almost the only Leeds players to come out of the game with any credit - their combined effort for the Gelling try had to be seen to be believed.

Conceding that try and the fifth tackle options highlight how Leeds are a shambles at present.

Tvoc coming online just after William.....again....after they disappeared and reappeared at the same time....nudge nudge wink wink

Why the personal insults? anyone would think you were John Holmes they way you carry on

Positives:
Keinhorst - proving his worth as a squad player. Not the most skillful but makes up for that with high workrate and good defence.
Falloon - we looked better going forward and it was obvious to see the difference a proper hooker makes.
JJB - his speed in both attack and defence will be useful
Effort was excellent in defence but not directed in the right way.
Also pleased we're still determined and seem able to throw the ball around. That will pay dividends later in the season when we regain some form.

Negatives:
Everything else.
McDermott was right, the Sky lot were praising Leeds defence when I thought it was awful. Poor kick chase combined with poor contact in the tackle meant Wigan made loads of easy metres and made numerous breaks through weak contact and quick play the balls. It was only pure effort and poor Wigan attack that kept us in it.
Whilst I've named JJB as a positive it was entirely his fault for Wigan's try from the tap, he came flying out of the line and got caught out by a simple dummy run that left a huge gap in our defence.
Our 5th tackle plays are still rubbish. We've never been good on the 5th tackle except for on Grand Final day but we're particularly bad at the moment.


I have utterly no idea what game Eddie Hemmings was watching when he praised Wigan's attack and Leeds defence, if any evidence were needed that he hasn't actually paid attention to what's going on in RL over the last 20 years then that was it. Time to go, Eddie.

I await you asking William the same question for this retort to another poster on a different thread

"You thick, Stupor League t"

.....come on Sal, ask him why the insults too?

Strange to select their 5th (71st minute) last try to criticise, when the game was well and truly lost. Stranger still to be selective in highlighting mistakes from two of our best players who had run themselves into the ground, while excluding Hardaker's missed tackle in "their combined effort" for the same try or indeed some of the other missed tackles that led to most of the other tries.

I think your Hardaker obsession is getting a little boring and long in the tooth now....... It's interesting how you turn everything back to him, just give it up you're making yourself look a bit of a twit, maintain some dignity you made your point now let it ride Jesus.

It's funny you say that because as a Wiganer I'm disappointed that we didn't score 50 points as IMO Leeds were terrible for the full 80 minutes and were there for the taking big time and we missed the chance to give you a massive tonking

I think he was getting at the point you were hardly at full strength yourselves and had the very late withdrawal of one of your main attacking threats...you [iwere[/i there for the taking: the fact that the present Leeds team was incapable of taking advantage is an indictment of Leeds's poor form

What is interesting is that some folk are blind to Hardaker's defensive lapses. Are you wanting to pretend Hardaker didn't also miss his tackle for the same try that Keinhorst and JJB were being bagged for? After all some have claimed ZH was one of our best players.

No one is blind to his "defensive lapses".....just some of us whilst knowing he's the best defensive FB in the league also don't unrealistically expect him to make every single tackle and stop every single try that comes his way.

Same thing every time from the same two posters who bagged him before the start of last year, if he doesn't stop a try then they ALWAYS bring it up because of what was said in that thread over 12 months ago.